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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago

Wil's got a point, guys.

Also, yes get a bigger fence, but also fuck the Prime Directive whenever you feel like it, apparently.

[-] Stamets@startrek.website 41 points 10 months ago

To be fair they wanted to execute a child for tripping. Fuck the Prime Directive in that case and fuck that planet. There should very much be a clause for protecting your own citizens provided they're literal children.

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Its definitely a case of "um, yeah, your application to ever join the Federation has been denied, pending you not having incredibly stupid laws".

[-] charonn0@startrek.website 28 points 10 months ago

Which is a real thing in canon. Bajor's application was put in jeopardy when they briefly reinstated a caste system, which violated Federation equality rules.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

I'm surprised them being a theocracy didn't disqualify them.

[-] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

A theocracy with gods, who in fact exist. I guess that made the difference?

[-] Archer@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Moved it from theocracy to fandom

[-] VindictiveJudge@startrek.website 14 points 10 months ago

They're actually a republic. The Vedek Assembly has a lot of influence, but they're fully separate from the Provisional Government. And they only have that much influence because the vast majority of the population follows the Bajoran faith. Think of the Assembly like the Vatican - powerful when everyone cares (Pope during the Middle Ages), but virtually powerless when nobody does (Pope now).

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

provided they’re literal children

Yeah, you could just remove that part. There's no sense on holding the non-intervention principle so high that you comply with every crazy request from the natives.

[-] Stamets@startrek.website 10 points 10 months ago

Well, no, it must be left in because if you stick with your part of "every crazy request" then it completely ignores the entire spirit and purpose of the Prime Directive. Starfleet isn't the be all and end all of morality. Their decisions affect them and the people within it but they're not "Team America: Space Police." They don't go around judging which laws are good and which aren't. ESPECIALLY when that perspective comes from them and them alone. Different cultures have different beliefs. Ignoring them and imposing your own on everyone is imperalistic as hell and directly against what Starfleet stands for.

Adding a clause to children works for me because the only purpose is to protect the children. The Prime Directive is still able to stand and work between cultures but this way Starfleet is able to say "Our cultures matter too and our culture says children whos brains aren't done developing shouldn't be executed for a mistake." Sure it's still fucked up that they'd do it to adults but they're adults. They made their decision and their decision led to them doing stupid shit on an alien planet, fucking around and finding out.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Not complying with requests is not the same as imposing your morality. Nopping out of the contact with some population because they believe your people must be killed won't destroy their culture.

But then, yeah, the show would have to contain hard decisions, and would be completely different from Star Trek (at least the newer ones).

[-] Stamets@startrek.website 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If you want to make a point you can do so without needing to bash newer Treks for absolutely no reason. Just tired of this petty behavior. I'm out. I've got no time for this nonsense.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

They let Tasha Yar duel to the death because some dude had the hots for her.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

They weren't a pre-warp culture, the Prime Directive doesn't apply.

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Part of it states that while visiting other planets, following their rules since they’re host.

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[-] SpookyUnderwear@eviltoast.org 4 points 10 months ago

Hey! You don't fuck the prime directive. The prime directive fucks you.

[-] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 33 points 10 months ago

It's funny I like Will about as much as I dislike Wesley, he's seems like a great guy and often very funny

[-] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago

Yeah, as far as child stars go, he turned out more well adjusted than the vast majority it seems.

[-] JoYo@lemmy.ml 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

lol remember when wil was bullied off the fedi?

they should start their own lemmy instance.

[-] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

He was what?! If that's true it's a shame. We all hate Wes but hating on Wil is not cool at all.

[-] JoYo@lemmy.ml 44 points 10 months ago
[-] Zink@programming.dev 18 points 10 months ago

That stinks. I could see him being treated very nicely around here, but maybe the same jackasses would just follow him.

[-] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Oh fuck! That is terrible. We should try to make up for it imo. Official invite to startrek.website when?

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[-] teft@startrek.website 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I can definitely see him commenting like that. He used to regularly pop up on reddit as /u/wil.

[-] Stamets@startrek.website 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Oh 100%. He's a delightful man. Still so frustrated at the people who made him quit Twitter ages ago with the constant "Shut up Wesley" shit.

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[-] ethd@beehaw.org 11 points 10 months ago

This is a real post, for what it's worth, and that's Wil Wheaton's real Tumblr.

[-] Stampela@startrek.website 10 points 10 months ago

Took me a while to remember that one weird episode.

[-] xspurnx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 months ago

It would blow my mind to have Wil on Lemmy. I bet he'd be fun and all around cool.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 11 points 9 months ago

The issue is he'd probably not say he's Wil Wheaton. I could be Wil Wheaton for all you know. Maybe we're all Wil Wheaton.

[-] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago

Sounds like something Wil would say.

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[-] IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Where can I see these shapely twinks in linen thongs?

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Star Trek: The Next Generation, season one, episode eight, "Justice".

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