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[–] pjb@lemmy.spacestation14.com 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Now require manufacturers to provide like 5 years of OS updates so devices aren't insecure bricks once you get updates.

OR disallow banking apps from blocking custom ROMs/root, so you can just install your own updates ROM without losing updates.

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[–] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It must be nice to have leaders that actually do useful things.

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[–] alottachairs@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Yes! mandatory usb C and replaceable battery, and i'd like the 3mm headphonr jack to also be a standard 😁

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[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I had the battery for my OnePlus 6T replaced, extending the phone lifetime for probably 2 years. It cost me about $100.

Forcing manufacturers to make batteries easily replaceable by the user without special tools and skills seems like it could make phones less lightweight and less waterproof. I would be fine if they just require manufactures to make it available as a reasonably priced service.

[–] DarkOoze@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm fine with internal batteries, but please use some form of standard cell size and connector.

[–] mateoinc@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The EU already standarized chargers IIRC.

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[–] livingcoder@lemmy.austinwadeheller.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I used to have a phone with a replaceable battery and it was awesome. I would charge the other battery while using the phone all day, carefree. When it was about to die, I'd swap out the battery. It was basically like I had an instant charge of 100% on my phone. Those were good days.

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[–] LevelUp@dataterm.digital 1 points 2 years ago
[–] Cstrrider1@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I like replaceable batteries but there is no doubt that the simplified unibody designs have other benefits besides the planned obsolescence companies seek. Battery life or thickeness will certainly take a hit. I feel like having some form of incentives for more repairable phones would work better to bring better, more renuable options without blockingotherr designs

[–] dark_stang@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We heard the same things from the laptop industry. But framework proved you can make laptop that's modular and still thin. And battery density keeps improving so even if it adds 2mm it'll catch up in a generation or two.

[–] chunktoplane@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Battery life or thickeness will certainly take a hit.

Modern phones tend to have a big bulge for the camera, so the rest of the phone can be thickened easily without impacting the maximum thickness.

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[–] gpl@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Any battery is replaceable if you pry it hard enough

[–] iamhazel@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Every component is replaceable ~by buying a new iPhone~

-Apple

[–] Jeknilah@monero.town 1 points 2 years ago

Now let's hope that the batteries aren't provided in overpriced proprietary formats with a software lock attached to them like Apple's iPhone screens.

[–] Spitfire@pawb.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wouldn’t this affect water resistance? One argument for “sealed” devices is better protection against water/dust/debris.

I’m all for allowing easier replacements and repairs for the consumer (No reason a device should be unusable after a few years due to a battery), but I can see this issue being brought up.

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[–] tr00st@lemmy.tr00st.co.uk 0 points 2 years ago

The language in the article does seem to forget that plenty of early smartphones had replaceable batteries... Yeah, it might add some bulk, but it's not exactly going to be a major hardship.

... but it seems like a good reverse step to me. Any consumer replaceable part is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

[–] GadgeteerZA@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Great news! No point in 5 or 6 years of software updates when the battery gives out after 3 years.

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[–] bouncing@partizle.com 0 points 2 years ago (10 children)

I don't really see the benefit anymore. My current device lasts ~40 hours on a charge, so I seldom find the need to swap anything out. Even if I did, those little USB battery packs that charge multiple devices are more practical. On a long flight, my wife and I just share one and it works on the Switch and tablet too.

Sealed devices have way better water resistance, less plastic makes the batteries themselves bigger, and wireless charging (especially with magnets) will be challenging to add to a battery that's also the back cover.

I'm sure I'll be in the minority on this, but, I don't really have any interest in a removable battery, especially if it involves other compromises on size, capacity, and features.

[–] ironhydroxide@partizle.com 0 points 2 years ago (14 children)

I see it as a longevity thing.

Sure you can bring another battery pack with you and charge your device from it, but at some point your internal battery will be degraded enough that it essentially needs to be plugged in to function, which is not feasible.

Being able to easily replace the thing in the device that wears out fastest is a good thing.

Granted I expect if this does go through, that mfg will make the battery hard to replace by other means (ie drm locks) making sure they can nickel and dime the consumer all the way.

[–] BorgDrone@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

at some point your internal battery will be degraded enough that it essentially needs to be plugged in to function, which is not feasible.

In the majority of devices the device will be obsolete before the battery is degraded to the point of being unusable.

[–] MattMist@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

That depends, if you buy a flagship device then in 5 years it will probably still be quite usable, but the battery could already be shot.

My phone (not even a flagship model) is coming up on 4 years old and it's still pretty fast and on the newest Android version (yay custom ROMs), but the battery now struggles to get me through a regular day, so it will probably need to be replaced soon.

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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'll admit that I haven't had battery problems for a long time, but I still think that this is a great idea if it can prolong the usage of other hardware.

Usually the software bugs down before the battery, and even with replacement batteries there will still be an issue of what to do with the spent batteries. Can they be revived or clustered for other purposes etc.?

I know that used batteries from cars are still valuable as storage even when they are at half capacity or less, but phone batteries are so small that it isn't feasible.

Hopefully this will push the manufactures into a different direction than the current use and discard strategy. European companies will soon have to file environmental reports, but with batteries coming from Asia, I'm not sure what effect EU will have. Chain responsibility isn't really there yet.

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[–] abcd@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago

This is great news! Even better than the USB-C regulation. Changing a battery on a modern phone is a huge pita… And it’s definitely getting worse since some companies are trying everything to prevent you from doing so…

I would absolutely buy a phone twice as thick as my iPhone SE 2020 if it has an easily swappable battery. Bonus points if it is able to be used as an actual phone without a case to prevent it from dying instantly from a light breeze or some evil look by a person…

[–] haych@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Back in the day I used to just keep 2-3 fully charged spare batteries if I went out. No need for a battery pack to recharge if I can just quickly swap battery and get a days worth of charge instantly.

[–] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I used to keep 2 extras as well back in the day when using the phone for an hour straight would kill it and I was on the go. I agree that batteries should be more easily replaced and the current design philosophy of hidden screws hidden behind a glued together screen is crazy .

That said I think power banks are better. They store better they are universal so you can use them with different phones and devices and thanks to that theres less e-waste. They take longer to charge but if you know you need it you can just plug in before you get too low so you dont have to be plugged in to long.

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