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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 180 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Aight, I enjoy the joke too.

However! I encourage people to remember that grandpa joe is not a faker in the world he's from!

Since the movie is what most peeps remember, and where the memes usually come from, the first thing to remember is that it's a musical.

Musicals, by the established rules of the overall genre, do not reflect reality at all times. Even mostly dramatic musicals like Man of LaMancha break some reality in order to function as musicals. Take the scene with the ruffians and "Dulcinea" as an example.

Second, the movie. Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory is essentially a fantasy piece. You've got the Oompa Loompas as prime evidence of that. Orange skinned humanoids that do not exist in the real world (jokes aside). Many things in the chocolate factory break the laws of physics or otherwise bend reality. There's geese laying golden eggs, ffs.

Third, the theme of the movie isn't actually torturing children. The theme of the movie is the redemptive and uplifting power of dreams. That's achieved by the journey of Charlie getting his golden ticket and everything in his life getting better.

Grandpa Joe hasn't been laying there in bed faking it (though, in movie, there's never anything about the grandparents being unable to move or walk at all, they're just frail and weak).

He is in his eighties or nineties.

What gets him up and dancing isn't that he was faking and forgot to, it's joy.

GJ is transformed by joy, by happiness. His grandson has, through luck or destiny, gotten the golden ticket to a brighter, better life! This doesn't trick Joe into forgetting his infirmity. It gives him the joy to overcome it.

Joe's transformation, rejuvenation, is because he is so filled with joy that his grandson will have a new life, that it changes him into the grandfather he wished he could be. Don't forget that he had sacrificed his one real pleasure to give Charlie a chance at that.

But, look, I know that the grandpajoehate is ostensibly a meme. It's a joke poking fun at the very musical rules that allow a bed-bound person to magically be cured in the first place. But it never acknowledges the fact that his spontaneous rejuvenation is magic, and that the magic is the magic of love.

In a cynical world, we believe that love is not transformative because the real world grinds us down. But love can be transformative for us too. We just have to be willing to let it work.

[–] VonCesaw@lemmy.world 102 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know its you Joe you cant fool me

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 29 points 1 year ago

With that fucking coke nail and all

[–] khan_shot_1st@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

This was nice. Thanks for taking the time to write this up!

[–] CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago

Hmmm, I just thought he was depressed.

[–] epyon22@programming.dev 64 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Are we bringing the fuck grampa Joe community to Lemmy?

[–] Seraph@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

By being on the Internet you agree we all hate Grandpa Joe. It seems redundant.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always think the reason they never got out of bed is they had a 24/7 old person orgy, so the other three were always fucking grandpa Joe.

[–] AnonWyo@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago

We know what sort of porn you watch.

Also, username checks out.

[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I mean.. you gonna do it?

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Yes please, we need this place to me more like le epic narwhal beacon place

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

Yes. We're getting tired of these corporate handouts. Grandpa Joe needs to get off the corporate teat.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And seriously harmed children by bringing them into a workplace that he knew was not safe.

It should bother any decent person what he did. If they really did suffer from animal attacks he could have provided them with weapons. Hell, I am reasonable. He could have sold them guns and made a profit. "Ok peeps, work in my factory and I will pay you. You can use that money to buy stuff that will kill those animals"

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

There's actually an interesting deep dive into this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0jbGyLayKjE

[–] Deiv@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Weren't they paid in chocolate, their preferred currency?

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I have a hunch that it wasn't their preferred currency.

In the first edition of Dahl's novel, Oompa Loompas were Black pygmies Willy Wonka imported from "the deepest and darkest part of the African jungle," according to Jeremy Treglown's Roald Dahl: A Biography. In 1970, the NAACP issued a statement expressing concerns about the racist portrayal of the Oompa Loompas in light of the then-upcoming film. Dahl himself showed sympathy for their stance, and re-imagined them in the 1973 edition as having "golden-brown hair" and "rosy-white" skin.

Despite that change in description, the Oompa Loompas' exploitative origin remained. Wonka smuggled them from their home to work at his factory. They worked tirelessly in exchange for cocoa beans, even as the chocolatier earned real money for their labor. They were prisoners restricted to areas inside the factory. In Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Willy Wonka learned the tribal language when negotiating a deal with the Oompa Loompas, but he was proud that "they all speak English now."

[–] Blackout@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would have done the same thing. Being lazy is cool.

[–] VulKendov@reddthat.com 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Yeh. People give grandpa Joe a hard time but what about the other 3 grifters. And let’s not forget the kid. He could have easily worked 16hours a day in a coal mine and instead treats his family like shit by buying chocolate for himself out of shameless greed

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Let's also remember that Willy Wonka fired all his workers and replaced them with slaves, in the original draft of the book they were people taken from Africa, so pretty much resembles slavery verbatim.

I'm not going to go too in depth with this because there's a whole video already breaking it down in entirety (you can find it here.

[–] SOB_Van_Owen@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, maybe. Though what if Grandpa Joe is chronically ill with waxing and waning debility. There are lots of folks in that boat. Maybe he was just having a very good week. One of the chief complaints I hear from friends that are so stricken is that when they are having an ok day, and are out doing something important or essential or even fun, they are seen by some dillweed that takes it as proof they are a lazy, shiftless malingerer.

[–] Teon@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why does Spiderman have a boner in the 2nd picture???

Don't kink shame.

[–] GarytheSnail@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude you're gonna be really disappointed when you finally see a real boner

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Seriously, I would have so much preferred the boy to tell his grandpa Joe not to come since he is always so sick, and take his mom or dad instead

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

You savages must attack everything. LOL

[–] rustydomino@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Look at all the Grandpa Joe apologists in this thread. No need to defend this piece of shit. Sad!

Is there a Grand Pajoe hate community on Lemmy yet?