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The original was posted on /r/simpsonsshitposting by /u/maninplainview on 2023-12-25 08:28:44.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 100 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

People who say "keep politics out of" anything are usually stupid. Most things are political. Implicitly supporting the status quo is political. Leaving things unsaid is political.

Usually the people who pop out that line mean "keep politics that are different than mine out of".

But on topic, punk is extremely political. For example, please review these lyrics from The Clash "Know Your Rights", 1982

You have the right not to be killed
Murder Is a crime!
Unless it was done
By a policeman or an aristocrat

[–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No, most things aren't political. But punk isn't one of them.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Care to name some media that's about people that has no political dimension?

For example, if a story has only white people or a story has non-white people, that's a political dimension to the story. "Political" doesn't only mean waving a flag.

A story about rescuing a princess from a castle has a political dimension. Super Mario Brothers isn't what most people think of as a "political" game, but that's there. It's saying monarchy is okay, and unremarkably so as it doesn't really spend any time on it. That's not even touching the gender role stuff.

A story about a boy pursuing a girl is rife with political subtext. Why is he pursuing instead of her? Why not an arranged marriage? Why not gay? When does No mean No? All of that stuff is there, whether you like it or not. It might not be noticeable if it's the dominant paradigm, but it's still there.

Someone might say "Well you're just reading into things!". Unfortunately for them, that's like the entirety of literary analysis. Additionally, the author's intent is one tiny sliver of what's important, if it matters at all.

Finding a political dimension in, like, lyric-less chiptune music might be more challenging, but most stuff that involves people has a political aspect to it.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Chiptune music is made by trans folks. So, very much political.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

On one hand there probably are a lot of non political things. On the other hand, once you've been involved exclusively into non political things for long enough you may find yourself in a very bad situation politically. Like being governed by arseholes that don't give a damn about you or human rights but everyone thinks that they somehow represent you

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[–] hersh@literature.cafe 4 points 1 year ago

I'd go a step further and say "punk" is by definition political, and more specifically anti-authoritarian and non-conformist.

That said, this is a relatively new usage of the word. 100 years ago it meant nothing of the sort.

[–] DroneRights@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

You're right. Apoliticism enables fascism, and should therefore be treated as a fascist dogwhistle

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Usually the people who pop out that line mean “keep politics that are different than mine out of”.

Really depends imo. A lot of political discourse naturally falls onto the same tracks towards the same repeated talking points, automatically making the worst assumptions about what people mean, being very defensive and suspicious (or even straight hateful) of anyone not proactively signalling being part of the same group. It's important to face it and deal with it but you may want to take muddy boots off before you come in the house.

[–] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 58 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Punk is (was) almost nothing BUT politics.

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[–] slumlordthanatos@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me.

[–] quams69@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

THOSE WHO'VE DIED, ARE JUSTIFIED, FOR WEARIN THE BADGE THEY'RE THE CHOSEN WHITES

[–] HRDS_654@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Smh my head, I can't believe Rage Against the Machine went political.

[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

A few years ago when Trump was still in office my wife and I went to see Roger Waters in Tulsa, Oklahoma. We had 7th row seats that cost a few hundred apiece, but we had looked at getting seats in rows 1-3 but passed because they were $1,600.00 each.

Well come the night and Roger is putting on a fabulous show, but Jesus Christ he is laying into Trump hard the whole time with anti-trump videos running and pig drones flying around the room. It was awesome, you can find most of the show on YouTube if you're interested.

Well six or eight cowboys in the first row walked out of the show, flipping off Roger Waters as they did so, yelling MAGA shit and screaming about what a dumbass Waters is and how he should keep politics out of his music...

Everyone is laughing their asses off because God DAMN, have you never read the lyrics to Pink Floyd songs? I mean, what the holy fuck.

Here's an interview with Waters talking about the show

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Today I learned that Roger Waters is absolutely based. Glad to see it!

[–] moogs@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He is ABSOLUTELY not based. Look into the garbage he says about Ukraine and Russia.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From the first article I found on the matter:

The musician was invited by Russia to address the UN Security Council.

He called for a ceasefire and condemned Russia's "illegal" invasion, but also denounced "provocateurs" in the West who he claimed were responsible.

Ukrainian ambassador Sergiy Kyslytsya called Waters' speech "another brick in the wall" of Russian disinformation.

Yeah, either he got played or got paid, I think. But well, the people in media are not somehow godlike and not guaranteed to be correct always. If anything, that would be a cognitive bias to think so

[–] Shialac@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't see anything wrong with what he said. He does condemn russias actions

[–] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but trying to play off Putin as some kind of inevitable result of western media is horse shit. He's been anti-any-establishment for so long he's lost perspective.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago

The funny thing about art is that people can interpret it however they want, even in the most stupid ways. See the many idiots that thought/think Rage Against the Machine and Pink Floyd weren't political.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It's almost like
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN (AND HER FASCIST REGIME)
never happened.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Lol, without politics punk is just playing badly.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Good for him.

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