Nobody Goes There Anymore, It’s Too Crowded
Given the option between hanging out with 3,000 Trekkies who are willing to plunge headfirst into a strange new ecosystem and 600,000 Trekkies who find making an account to be an onerous process, I'll take the former, thanks
The irony of being a Trekkie but fearing strange new worlds.
You'd think they'd all be excited to join this new federation
Cut 'em some slack, they're probably just big fans of that famous Trekkie catchphrase "diversity, who needs it? one combination is enough for me!"
I mean it's right there in the intro monologue: "to timidly stay where everyone has already been"
Limited diversity in limited combinations.
Turns out they were really into Star Trek for the Ferengi.
"Starfleet was founded to seek out new life – well, there it sits, waiting!"
Not even "it's too confusing" or "I can't find things" (both viable excuses right now but being actively worked on) but Signing up for an account is too hard.
In today's world of literally an email and a password, and most browsers/password mangers will suggest and autofill and save... I just can't even.
Fine, stay there and absorb ads and promoted shit to your hearts content. Not saying the bar for entry should be high, but goddamn maybe we don't need the ones who can't be bothered to create an account.
Let me walk you through my process. Go to join-lemmy and then realize I can't just join Lemmy, I need to choose a server. So now why go to one place over another. I picked one initially that I didn't like and apparently isn't a big one. Then I try beehaw. Beehaw tells me I need to wait to be approved but I can't even tell if my application went through. Still to this day I am not 100 percent sure if it went through.
Then I joinn sh.itjust.works and hey, great name. Shit just worked. From there it's not terrible to figure things out but you quickly realize that Lemmy has some rough edges that are obviously going to be a barrier for the masses. Combine that with the fact that the communities simply aren't quite there yet and it just makes sense. Lemmy is a great start with a ton of potential but I can't fault the average user for not being ready to make the jump.
Startrek.website doesn't even have email verification turned on, it's literally fewer steps than it is to make a reddit account.
I cannot speak to the internal decisions of /r/StarTrek, but I can speak to /r/DaystromInstitute's decisions.
As of yesterday, noncompliant moderation teams are under threat from /u/Spez and his lackeys. We reached the decision to reopen, in a limited capacity, to prevent the community from facing a hostile takeover by those who do not properly appreciate its use or its value, and to hopefully funnel traffic here, and we intend that soon those will be the only purposes of the subreddit. In coordinating this move I trust my collagues on the other subs to act in the best interests of the community first, this instance second, and the profiteering bastards last.
I can't believe the negativity coming from the /r/startrek community regarding the blackout and the idea of switching to Lemmy. Forging a new brighter future free of corporate control should fit into the Star Trek ideals of every fan.
I mean, Lemmy if FEDERATED. If that's not Star Trek, idk what is.
That's rather up to us, isn't it?
I don't have any data to support it, but it seems like there are a number of throwaway accounts on Lemmy posting about how the protest was a failure and how we should all go back. Feels like astroturfing.
This place is definitely not dead. Quite lively, in fact. I'm not sure why there being a bigger star trek community somewhere means that this one would be useless
That is true. You got start somewhere.
When r/startrek went dark, thought at the time to be forever, I came here. I wasn't looking for a new reddit. I was looking for a new home to talk with other Star Trek fans. And, that is here. Now that r/startrek is back open, I'm still staying here. I like it here. I don't see a need for an us versus them showdown. How many r/startrek accounts there are isn't important to me. How active is c/startrek is important to me. And, I think c/startrek is doing well. With more Star Trek fans finding their way here.
Do I think c/startrek is sustainable and will continue to grow? Yes. Because Star Trek fans tend to love interacting with other Star Trek fans, and with those new to Star Trek. I have my doubts about there being an all out rush back to r/startrek because the initial reason for leaving wasn't a temporary oopsie, like a technical issue. It was, for me and likely others, because of Huffman's actions and reactions. That was an eye-opener.
I think on some level many people know that they are just commodities to for profit social medias. The end goal is to gather valuable data, and concentrate eyes on certain spots to sell ads. Monetization. There's a facade in place. I think problems arise when that facade is frayed and torn. For me, Reddit's facade is shredded.
I like that here the main goal isn't to target me with ads. And, I'm thoroughly enjoying the interactions here. Yes, there's a lot to Lemmy I haven't learned. Truth be told, I may never learn all or even most about it. However, it only took me a few minutes to figure out the most important things to me on c/startrek -- how to read and make comments.
Reddit is gonna Reddit. LLAP, c/startrek.
It is incredibly refreshing to not be inundated with ads. Reddit absorbed all the web 1.0 communities one-by-one, then changed just slowly enough to boil the frog. The recent changes went overboard, rushing for the ipo. They showed their real hand. I won’t be going back.
But at the same time, I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to stay there. Hopefully, they’ll find their way here, but if not I wish them all the best.
This was just the dress rehearsal, it seems like people forgot that. The protest isn't the event, the policy changes are the event. The protest was just to let them know that the users do care about the impending policy changes. When those changes take effect, lots of people are going to discover that the app they use to browse reddit doesn't work anymore. Some will install the official [cr]app and go on with their lives, but some won't. It won't be a mortal wound, but a lot of users will be lost at that moment. That's when a wave of users looking for a new permanent home will arrive. Since Lemmy has been mentioned all over reddit, and in articles about the reddit drama, a lot of the trekkies among them will end up here. All we have to do is wait. Lemmy may not be the site/network with the biggest trek presence (yet), but i'm confident it will grow to a healthy size in short order.
It's also worth mentioning that there are users, such as myself, who want to set up their own instances and play with the technology. The stats of what you see for user volume and using that as a metric to determine engagement is pre-federation thinking (both literally and figuratively). More numbers = more safety in a false scarcity environment right?
Anyhow, this site is federated and it's not alone. I'm excited to be here.
Reddit is dying. Its goals as a growth-oriented corporation are inherently contrary to its original nature as a community center. I have to give them props for dragging it out as long as they have (and will). All the factors that made Reddit possible and desirable still exist; in fact, the ActivityPub federation protocol enables an even more powerful form of collaboration that transcends a lot of the negative aspects of Reddit's design.
Give it time. Make content! Tell people about this wonderful new generation of media. Consider it an opportunity to engage with the glory days of a new form of internet media. Which it is.
Exactly, it's going to be a long slow process. This will have slow bursts like we're seeing now as reddit makes their app shittier and shittier, but we're never going to see an exodus like Digg again, Reddit is 100s of times bigger now.
It's going to look like Facebook, where over time people leave as they realize they don't need it anymore, and eventually all that will be left are stubborn people, the people in admin/mod positions that refuse to give up power, our moms, the people who think Minions memes are funny, and the thousands and thousands of bots talking to each other about how great lysol cleaners are.
Roughly 3,000 people in four days...
And yes the subreddit reopening was not part of the original plan, but there's not much we can do about it besides make this a better space that users will feel comfortable signing up with.
Just have to be committed. Also remember that it's not just your site, it's all of lemmy that can participate.
More people probably will stay on Reddit, but I like startrek.website so much I joined the patreon which I've never done for anything before.
Lemmy is new and a bit confusing to start with but I really like it. It aligns with my morals and techie side much more than Reddit ever could.
I checked r/startrek last night at was a bit shocked at the hate the mods were recieving for doing what I consider to be morally correct. To each their own I suppose!
I first joined r/startrek over 12 years ago when it was about 3000 subscribers. I had a lot of fun. Every post could be seen and not drowned out. No troll issues. Those early days were really nice.
Die? I just found this place!
Let's fucking engaaaaaage
There will likely be another influx when 3rd party apps die, and further trickling in if more and more moderators hang up the towel and reddit becomes more unmanageable with spam. It is difficult to migrate a whole community at once but I'm sure it will happen slowly, as more people become used to the concept of federation (you would think r/startrek would understand this "federation" though).
The change hasn't even gone into effect yet. Let people deal with the ads and shittiness that is the official app. They'll be looking for alternatives.
Yeah, it seems pretty obvious that their end goal here is to get people off of 3rd party apps and off of old.reddit so their eyeballs will be exposed to more ads. I now no longer really care how many more people there are on reddit. I'll do some silly shit to avoid looking at ads. It's almost like a religious thing for me.
I left Reddit a few months ago and I missed deeply r/StarTrek, so I certainly hope !startrek@startrek.website will not die !
Well I'm not going back to Reddit after everything they have pulled, I'm hoping other people also feel the same way.
I’ve been visiting Reddit since 2006 and had an account there for nearly 17 years. I remember it before subreddits were a thing. It was for tech nerds and other associated weirdos before entering a genuinely charming period for a few years, but those days are long in the past. I’d rather try out something new with a smaller group of interesting people who are also into trying new things, and I hope this site is able to keep chugging along regardless of whatever is happening at Reddit.
Well I’m not going back to reddit even if this place fizzles out. Reddit has become way too corporate
This community seems to have grown exponentially over the past 4 days. I'm super confused by your observation.
Doesn't seem to have died to me. It's actually dramatically more active than it was even days ago. Not sure what you're responding to other than "this thing isn't the same as that thing and I still like that thing".
Keep in mind that they just set new rules that allow them to replace mods who are participating in the blackout. Subs will open again very soon whether their original mods want to or not. The end goal of a protest is to affect change. Not being a part of their system is change. When the content is created by the users, the users have power.
The only way I'd go back to reddit at all is if they entirely walk back their new API rules and if Spez steps down.
I’ve undocked from Reddit for the last time. “Second star to the right…Warp Speed.”
I'm here, and as long as this community keeps going, I think I probably will remain. Especially since my login is through a community that I am trying to actively participate in growth of.
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