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From my understanding, the boys moved to this type of storytelling in season 4 and it made a bunch of people realize it was making fun of them.

And in order to do that, they ended up making the show absolute hot garbage for everyone. Now the people being satirized will not watch it, and the people laughing at the people being satirized don't want to watch it anymore.

I think the point is that satire is incredibly hard to pull off while telling a compelling story, and the more compelling it is, the more likely it's just going to be a cultural artifact through which a group of people can laugh at another group. Maybe the point of satire is catharsis, rather than changing minds.

True, but then do you really have an audience, in the first place? Does satire even need to have an audience? Does a satirical product need to be a product in and of itself?

Let's imagine a piece of satire, I dunno, let's say, a fake poster for an Azov battalion documentary that's full of nazi symbols. Make it really outlandish so that nobody could take it seriously. Is that good satire?

But what if you actually make a satirical mockumentary about Azov that's outrageously nazi, to an absurd degree. Well then, you might just end up being liked by the nazis who are also fans of Azov, so did you really do satire, or did you just do a nazi film?

Like I said in the other comment, I'm just spitballing here, trying to figure this out as I go along, because I'm interested in the debate lol

good satire makes the thing it satirized unpalatable to the people it lampoons with shame

that's a very good point, but then I think it begs the question: shameful to whom?

I say that because I think Starship Troopers (the discourse, I know) for example is great satire, but a fascist wouldn't be ashamed of liking it unironically among other fascists who also don't get that they're being made fun of

in the case of this album cover, is it successful satire if horny guys who sexualize women look at it and share it with other horny guys who do the same thing? she's an attractive woman in a very sexual scenario, so it would absolutely be very palatable to this audience

I'm not really arguing any points, just thinking out loud here because I think that's legit an interesting debate and I don't really have a solid take on it

the way I see it, the problem with satire is that good satire straddles a very very thin line: if you're too subtle, the satirical aspect is lost on the target audience that you're making fun of, but if you're not subtle enough, it's no longer identifiable as a plausible representation of the thing in question, and then it becomes pointless

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It's because the LLM is incapable of understanding symbols, so it couldn't even understand the chessboard and the images that represented the pieces. This capability for abstract thinking is the thing that human brains do incredibly well (sometimes too well, then you get pareidolia), but is completely outside the bounds of what an LLM is or ever will be able to do.

Of course it did. LLMs are terrible at any real tasks that involve actual reasoning and are not doable by a stochastic natural-sounding text extruding machine. Check out this study by a bunch of Apple engineers that pointed out this exact same thing: https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/illusion-of-thinking

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