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HEXBEAR!!?!?! IS YOUR MATH SKILLS GOOD ENOUGH TO BE A PART OF STALIN'S ARTILLERY CORPS? (hexbear.net)

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[-] Achyu 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Trying out the problems to see how my Indian education(Kerala state govt college education) helps me:

In the denominator there is a common a on both sides and can be cancelled. In the right hand side there's a common c which can be simplified.
And the numerator on the left can be multiplied by 2/2
We can write 4a^2^(b+c)^2n^ as (2a(b+c)^n^)^2^
Then using x^2^ - y^2^ = (x - y) (x + y) we can simplify the numerator.
3 > ln(x)

Edit: ln(x) is bounded on both sides here. Thanking u/ AernaLingus for pointing that out
The complete answer would be 1/2 < ln(x) < 3
Thanking them again.

x = e^(-3 ln(3)/(30 - ln(3)^)
What's tg?
Is it tangent? Assumed that and got x = cos^-1^(1/3) = 1.23095

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago

Well we found our first officer of the artillery corps, everyone.

[-] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

Could you give me a hand with (2) and (3)? You don't need to work the whole thing out, but a nudge in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. I feel like I mostly have the knowledge to solve these but I'm just forgetting some crucial rule or I'm just too rusty with my algebra (it's been a loooong time since I had to do this stuff).

Here's my work for (2):

The one part I feel confident about is changing the bases to match so I can just work with the exponents, but the rest feels off.

Here's my work for (3):

Again, the only part I feel confident about is the silly thing with ln(x^0^), but I think I went down the wrong path after that based on your answer. I could raise e to both sides to free the x on the left-hand side, but then I'm trapping the x on the right. I guess with both of them I'm struggling with the same thing: what to do when you have a mismatch between one side having a plain variable and the other having a variable inside a logarithm.

[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

For problem two: I got to the answer by substituting a = 0.2^3 if you try that, you'll get two roots with the same things inside, leading you to compare only the root exponents

For problem 3: you're on the right track, just change the base of the logarithm on the left hand side by remembering ln(x) =log 3 (x)/log 3(e). From there, you just need to isolate all the x on one side, the log 3(e) on the other, and do 3 to the power of that to get just x on the left-hand side. Then you can use that property of logarithms on the right hand side to get all the log 3(e) in terms of ln(3) and simplify some more.

[-] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

Thanks heaps—managed to get them both! It's good to know I wasn't too far off. I had a feeling I needed to do change of base but I wasn't exactly sure where I needed to go with it.

[-] Achyu 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

As the other comrade said, you've got the answers.

For (2)
- 2t^2^ + 7t -3 > 0
Or 2t^2^ - 7t -3 <0
We can find the roots and get 2t^2^ - 7t -3 as (t - 3) (2t - 1) < 0

From this we can see that it's less than zero when t < 3, because the (t - 3) term becomes negative But if t < 1/2, both terms become negative and the equality is not valid.

Thank you. This shows both bounds. I had overlooked that and cancelled the (2t - 1) in a previous step.

So the answer would be 1/2 < ln x < 3
Thanks again

For (3) we have log~3~ x^30^ = 30 ln x / ln 3
Using the property log~a~ X = log~b~ X / log~b~ a

A question: How did you type of out the equations? LaTeX?
Is there any simple/foss app for it on Android?

[-] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Thank you! They both seem so simple now that I've seen your explanation, but that's always how it is with these things; I'm sure we've all had the experience of nodding along to something in class only to be completely flummoxed by the same material when doing the homework later that day.

With (2), I had a feeling that I needed to factor, but I've never been that great at factoring quadratics when the second degree's coefficient isn't 1, and even if I had succeeded in factoring I don't think I would have remembered the logic to work through to get the final inequality. But now I understand thanks to your explanation!

solution for (2)

With (3), for some silly reason I thought that the rule with log~a~x^b^ = b ⋅ log~a~ x only applied when x = a (no idea why—obviously in that case you just have log~a~a^b^ = b) ...as I said, it's been a while since I did this stuff regularly. That was the key I needed to finish that one!

solution for (3)

Yup, I used LaTeX! I'm not personally familiar with an app targeted at Android, but I used the web-based Overleaf, which is FOSS (AGPLv3). While the website I linked to does require the creation of a free account (which was all I ever needed for my simple undergraduate homework purposes--I think the premium features are only relevant for large projects/teams), you can even self-host it if you're into that sort of thing.

Incidentally, here's the LaTeX markup for the problems I worked (nothing fancy, just using the basic math packages with the main feature being the \align environment which allows me to center the equations around the = or >/< symbols).

LaTeX markup

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{amsmath, amsthm, amssymb, amsfonts, mathtools}

% ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

\begin{document}
% (2)
Substitute \(t = \log_{e}{x} = \ln{x}\).
\begin{align*}
(0.2^{(6t - 3)})^{1/t} &> (0.008^{2t - 1})^{1/3} \\ 
0.2^{(6t - 3)/t} &> (0.2^{3})^{(2t - 1)/3} \\ 
0.2^{(6t - 3)/t} &> 0.2^{3 \cdot [(2t - 1)/3]} \\ 
\frac{6t - 3}{t} &> 3 \cdot \frac{2t - 1}{3} \\ 
t \cdot \frac{6t - 3}{t} &> (2t - 1) \cdot t \\ 
6t - 3 &> 2t^2 - t \\ 
-2t^{2} + 7t - 3 &> 0 \\
2t^2 - 7t + 3 &< 0 \\
(2t - 1)(t - 3) &< 0 \\
\end{align*}

When \(t < \frac{1}{2}\) or \(t > 3\), the product of the factored terms is positive, so the inequality doesn't hold.\\
When \(\frac{1}{2} < t < 3\), the product of the factored terms is negative, so the inequality holds.\\
Substituting the original value of \(t\), we have that

\begin{equation*}
    \boxed{\frac{1}{2} < \ln{x} < 3}
\end{equation*}

%(3)
\begin{align*}
    3^{\ln{x} + \ln{x^0} + \ln{x^0} + \cdots + \ln{x^0}} &= 27x^{30} \\
    3^{\ln{x} + \ln{1} + \ln{1} + \cdots + \ln{1}} &= 27x^{30} \\
    3^{\ln{x} + 0 + 0 + \cdots + 0} &= 27x^{30} \\
    3^{\ln{x}} &= 27x^{30} \\
    \log_3{3^{\ln{x}}} &= \log_3{27x^{30}} \\
    \ln{x} &= \log_3{3^{3}} + \log_3{x^{30}} \\
    \ln{x} &= 3 + \log_3{x^{30}} \\
    \ln{x} &= 3 + \log_3{x^{30}} \\
    \ln{x} &= 3 + \frac{\ln{x^{30}}}{\ln{3}} \\
    \ln{x} &= 3 + \frac{30\ln{x}}{\ln{3}} \\
    \ln{3} \cdot \ln{x} &= 3\ln{3} + 30\ln{x} \\
    0 &= 3\ln{3} + 30\ln{x} - \ln{3} \cdot \ln{x} \\
    (30 - \ln{3})\ln{x} &= -3\ln{3} \\
    \ln{x} &= \frac{-3\ln{3}}{30 - \ln{3}}\\
    e^{\ln{x}} &= e^{\frac{-3\ln{3}}{30 - \ln{3}}}\\
    \Aboxed{x &= e^{\frac{-3\ln{3}}{30 - \ln{3}}}}
\end{align*}

\end{document}

[-] Achyu 4 points 6 months ago

Thank you. Since I have MS word, I sort-of make-do with it's equation editor,

Been interested in LaTeX for a while, so thanks for this.

[-] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

No problem! I think it's definitely worth learning the basics, which I don't think are too bad, and are really plenty unless you have very specific needs or want to make complex diagrams. And regardless, the wizards on StackOverflow are always there to help.

By the way, I just noticed that there's an issue with the markup I posted due to a known Lemmy bug where ^ gets replaced with the sup HTML tag even in code blocks. I'll post a proper Pastebin or something when I get the chance!

[-] Achyu 2 points 6 months ago

I thought that the LaTeX code used a syntax similar to html.

Thanks a lot.

[-] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

No problem! Yeah, as you can see it's a bit different--basically, you've got commands that start with backslashes, which can have one or more arguments contained in curly brackets. The most important thing to understand is probably math mode which is what enables all the fancy mathematical typesetting.

Here's the Pastebin with the correct markup for my earlier comment:

https://pastebin.com/q3Sww7QM

[-] Achyu 3 points 6 months ago

Once again, thanks a lot.

[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

And the numerator on the left can be multiplied by 2/2

I don't understand this step. Why did you multiply is for 2/2, I don't see how it simplifies the numerator on the left, when expanding the fraction sum leads to 4a(b+c)^2n-1, something simpler to factor using x2-y2=(x+y) (x-y)

[-] Achyu 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

(2a^2^ (b+c)^2n^ - 1/2) x 2/2 = (4a^2^ (b+c)^2n^ - 1) x 1/2
Let's keep the 1/2 aside for now.

We can write 4a^2^ (b+c)^2n^ as 2^2^ a^2^ ((b+c)^n^ )^2^ and 1 as 1^2^

So (4a^2^ (b+c)^2n^ - 1) = ( 2a(b+c)^n^ )^2^ - 1^2^

Comparing with x^2^ - y^2^ we have x = 2a(b+c)^n^ and y = 1
With with x^2^ - y^2^ =(x+y) (x-y), we get:

(2a(b+c)^n^)^2^ - 1^2^ = (2a(b+c)^n^ + 1) (2a(b+c)^n^ - 1)

We can then cancel the common (2a(b+c)^n^ - 1) term from the numerators on both sides...

with the assumption that 2a(b+c)^n^ - 1 ≠ 0. If it's zero, then we introduce the issue of 0 x something = 0 x something.
0 x 1 = 0 x 2 = 0
We can't cancel the common zero and say that 1 = 2. So 0/0 or 1/0 is an issue, but with the assumption that it isn't 0, we can cancel it out.

I multiplied and dividing by 2 because in effect it changes nothing to the result as 2/2 = 1. But it helps to rearrange and simplify stuff.

[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

Ah gotcha. Now it's all clear.

[-] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 months ago

I believe tg is tan, yes.

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