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The level of debate over Gaza in the US
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I love these bunjee jumper commenters who just make outlandish claims and assertions, refuse to defend them, but let the Hexguard dunk on the comment anyway.
Brace on TrueAnon made an observation that the more affluent Americans just don't want to deal with politics anymore. They find it exhausting and discomforting. Which is why liberals were so quick to ghost Biden and relieve that he stepped down.
What is there to defend? It's a well known quote.
What you are trying to assert in your quote is that Trump is more dangerous because he is more deranged, bombastic, and depraved. The truth is that this is only in appearances, and you and I both know that it is the appearances that upset you. If the Republican did it with more poise, they'd be as rehabilitated as Bush is.
Trump's fantasy and hypotheticals are taken more egregiously and strongly than the living actions that the persons and administration of the US federal government take in regards to living people. (e.g: Trump's role in January 6th is described as eating pork on Yom Kippur, and yet his role in letting thousands of people die in Puerto Rico from hurricane damage are all but forgotten.)
In this same vein, Biden has the blood of tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians by actively financing, distributing, and providing legal and diplomatic cover for the state of Israel. These are active policies that take effort and discipline to maintain; they are not inevitabilities and natural disasters but active designs and permissions being assigned.
Your contention is that Trump makes you feel bad and you wanna feel happy. Democrats do the same policies of Republicans, but at least they pretend to be nice and remorseful and that's good enough for you.
Lmao absolutely wrong, Americans are some of the most bloodthirsty racist monsters who have ever lived
Yeah
You came in here mad because we were criticizing Democrats for genocide.
I reacted to this weird fantasy post where the poster acts as if Kamala Harris has any control over what the US is doing in other countries as the VP, which paints her in a light of murdering homeless people. When the alternative is literally a deranged poopypants who could literally not give less of a fuck about the middle east or brown people if you showed him each and every atrocity.
They don't send out a weekly e-mail blast to every voter in the country asking "Should we send another package of arms to Israel this week?". That decision is made by a small group of traitorous cunts who are obviously taking giant kickbacks from the military industrial complex, superpacs, and foreign countries.
Saying the "dEmOcRaTs" are the problem is wildly inaccurate and embarrassingly uninformed. The cunts are on both sides. It's rich vs poor. I would have thought that a sub supposedly about communism would already be on that take.
You are the EXACT kind of person this post is making fun of, holy shit.
Mate, of her own volition she says she supports Israel; she's saying this while she's completely safe and in full public view; she won't even condemn Israel. If the democrats aren't running the country, then who is?
You're describing the entire US political class
liberalism at its finest
hope you choke on your next meal bigot
It's amazing how you want to pretend as if the second most powerful executive in the US government has no power over what the US does.
It's also amazing how you are literally not aware of Harris' actions prior to becoming a VP, when she did stuff like prevent freeing enslaved prisoners, prevent freeing wrongly-imprisoned people, hunting people for ICE, used her position to support aggression against other countries, etc., and yet, you feel like you are qualified to confidently speak on the matter.
Harris has literally supported, in an official capacity, Trump's actions against the Middle East. Like in this case, for example:
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/05/24/bipartisan-war-congress-trump-syria-iran-russia-hezbollah/
Between an utterly incompetent genocide enactor and one who is at least a little bit more competent, if you were to prefer either, you should go with the former. You keep advocating for the latter.
It's amazing how much you want to imagine just to avoid admitting that the monster that you support is, indeed, a monster.
No, those people are not a small group of 'traitors' to the USian government. They are the USian government. And Harris is explicitly among them, as she has both vowed to help Pissrael keep carrying out the genocide, and she has been publicly working with AIPAC since before the 2020 USian executive elections. She has literally spoken at a policy conference of AIPAC.
They aren't 'the' problem. They are a part of the problem. And it's pretty hilarious how you try to insist otherwise, given that they have almost exactly the same policies, and have a history of engaging in genocides and other atrocities.
I wonder if you would also like to pretend, for example, that Trump is worse than Obama.
If you think that we like either of the USian uniparty twins, you are incorrect. You are just having a petulant reactions to having your favourite monsters criticised.
I know you're getting the bear hug so I doubt you'll respond to me, but I think it's worth examining your assumptions if you have somehow reached a point where Harris cannot be held accountable for the actions of the administration she serves in, cannot be held responsible for her own rhetoric at the convention (in which she promised we would have the most lethal military in the world, with which she would "always" defend the apartheid entity), and cannot be faulted for not being more specific about what her policy on Gaza would be. You seem to have reached a position where voting for Harris is a moral obligation that has no attachment to anything she does, says she will do, or could theoretically do in the future.
Or at least I assume it's about voting, otherwise I don't know what you're doing here. You acknowledge that America's ruling class are traitors to the interests of humanity; Harris is part of our ruling class, she's undeniably part of the 'rich' you're talking about. While we here at hexbear don't call people slurs, you seem fine directing your anger at these nameless traitors but not at Harris for some reason. All we're doing is criticizing the class you are saying is bad, and the people who instinctively defend them.
It's literally the message of the tweet: Nobody is telling anyone not to vote, but liberals reflexively assume criticism of the ruling class is an argument for Trump.
Fuck you mean "if"
Really showing your hand here
Liberals and casual homophobia, name a more iconic duo. Also you are reflexively defending Kamala Harris and Joe Biden from very valid critique because you perceive them as some larger than life icon/avatar. You're literally doing cult of personality you dumbass
"I wasn't being homophobic, I was being misogynistic"
The person you're responding to with the "cocksucking" comment uses he/him pronouns, dumbass.
Your parents failed in raising you
Typical genocide supporter
3edgy5me
This just in: Opposing genocide is edgy.
You would have voted for Hitler.
Yes tell me what else I would have done in your weird fantasies.
sucked me off
Says the hitlerite
Your deranged and angry rant tells me we struck a nerve with you. And that you're likely, and charitably, a college freshman.
You can not vote for Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, Hilary Clinton, Gavin Newsom, or the next figurehead and call it a day. Voting is not a civic duty or fulfilling civic action in a state where your vote is a mere permission slip of state legitimacy than an envoy of political agenda. The state will do what it must to maintain its hegemony but thank you for paying your taxes and giving the state the "right" to exist. Through your vote. Through your petty ritual.
We can't just leave our homes, lives, and jobs; indeed millions across the world can't just crusade into Israel just to stop this. But millions are marching, protesting, resisting, and urging their governments to place pressure on Israel and the United States to stop the genocide. It just so happens that there is no Spirit Bomb mechanism to stop the IDF and the US from doing so but through collective civil action, disobedience, protest, and resistance.
These discussions, real and digital, about Palestine and Israel's genocidal terror is not a game of moral exchange where we use the dead as trophies to sanitize our complicity or seek absolution for our guilt. They are public and private declarations and exasperations of our political impotence and frustration with a political machine and configuration that has normalized, sanitized, and bargained away genocidal fervor and action. They are declarations, in the power of posting, that life has meaning and what we are all witnessing is the annihilation of the intrinsic value of human justice, of human existence and meaning within our world.
In this particular moment, in the midst of active genocide, being a canvasser, poll worker, and campaign staffer for the Democrats (and Republicans) and believing that a fulfillment of civic and patriotic duty, progressing towards a more just and equitable society, is a farce. It is meaningless. Genocide is a crime among crimes and evil among evils. It is the negation of life in the most very literal and direct way; the ultimate desecration of humanity.
Your conclusion, the embodiment of the emote:
, is one that tries to serve as a way for you to banish your conscience and guilt because the actual act of engaging in politics as an activist instead of passive consumer that validates the "I'm a good person" box is just as empty and hollow as your idolatrous faith in the Democratic party.
I do in fact expect you, us, and everyone else to do something else than just wait in line for a few hours (if you aren't just a mail-in voter!) to vote for the Democrat who winces and sheds crocodile tears for the crimes they are compelled to do on behalf of political and economic hegemony.
Don't be lazy.
Holy shit you're such a sack of shit. Yeah, we're against genocide because we want to be "morally superior", not because genocide is wrong.
You are fine with genocide, just say it. There is no functional difference between you and a fascist
You've become incoherent.
What would you say it is that you are doing here, then?
The only reason a non ideologically brainwashed person would say he DOESN'T have blood on his hands is because he's probably been too fucking senile to actually sanction what's been going on. But if that isn't the case, then the blood of every single Palestinian dead over the last year is on his hands, you dumb motherfucker
Ah yes, 'you are just purity-testing on being against a genocide for fun' sure is a good defence of a high-profile genocide. /s
Honestly, it amazes me a bit how brainwashed genocide supporters like you are.
You definitely aren't an 'average USian' (it's silly how USians love to pretend that the entirety of the Americas are just the US), then.
I do not have money. I do not have a weapon, nor am I able to procure one. I do not know of a way to get there. I do not know of a way to contact the Palestinian resistance or another such group.
Notably, you weren't asked to go and volunteer to fight for Palestine (although, if you think that it's so much easier than, for example, withholding your vote in a USian election, why haven't you volunteered to fight for Palestine yet?). You have been asked to stop actively supporting your monsters at home. Like a good little 1930-1940s German, you are completely fine with them, however.
HAHAHAHA.
'It's an equivalent level of work to [go to a war zone, find and contact the local resistance (without unwittingly informing enactors of a genocide that you intend to fight), and becoming a part of a decades-long resistance to a genocide], to [withhold a vote in an inconsequential USian election where both candidates are almost exactly the same, except one of them is senile and is less capable of managing the genocide machine (instead of voting for the more competent genocide enactors)], and to [cease participating in a genocide by funding and otherwise supplying the military forces that are directly carrying out said genocide]'.
You live in a fantasy world.
Hahaha.
Withholding a vote in an election where there are no different consequences for you, and ceasing to do free PR for your monsters in charge is not 'throwing away [your] lives, families, etc.'
'How dare you slow the progress of humanity by telling other people to stop supporting and/or carrying out a genocide'.
'Progress of humanity', lol.
I.e. at the people supporting and/or carrying out a genocide? You have been raving about how that's bad, actually.
You mean the rich fucks like Harris that you support and are upset over us being against them? Haha.
'If'?
You literally came here to voice your support for a genocide.
HAHAHAHA.
What is this nonsense?
It's pretty obvious that you have no understanding of this topic.
You are welcome to follow your own advice.
that is quite literally what you're doing, right now. you wrote multiple paragraphs doing exactly that. we can all see them, they're still up.
Your definition of "the left" is very... well, let's just say OBJECTIVELY WRONG
laughing at this dweeb while remembering the dozens of articles about how Kamala Harris declined to prosecute Steve Mnuchin for widespread mortgage fraud
Yeah, we know, you are a yank, yanks think that there are no real humans outside of usa.
lol nerd
"What is there to defend"
the comparison, you stupid motherfucker
Trump said some fucked up fascist shit about how he could kill people in the streets and get away with it without actually doing it. Kamala Harris as DA literally fought to keep innocent people in prison for their labor. Which is worse? You might be a liberal moron if you choose the former