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Green Party members trash AOC after she calls Jill Stein ‘predatory’
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Stein didn't answer the points AOC made, she just went into her own attack. I find it funny calling AOC "idle"...I realize she's focused on the one issue that Stein can hammer in to hurt the Democrats, but the way she phrased it was really stretching things.
So why does Stein only show up during elections to fan flames? This goes to another point I made on a different thread, we need good variety in the down-ballot, so why don't we see more Green and other parties when the grassroots is where things like that start growing the best? I'm not saying they aren't there, but the candidates have never had much support from the bigger organization, and honestly have always lacked credibility when comparing them to the Democrat choice. Mainly because they're usually a one issue campaign and don't have substance on the day-to-day stuff that's needed for locals. Put better people in these positions, they might get votes.
Californians have elected 55 of the 226 office-holding Greens nationwide. Other states with high numbers of Green elected officials include Pennsylvania (31), Wisconsin (23), Massachusetts (18) and Maine (17). Maine has the highest per capita number of Green elected officials in the country and the largest Green registration percentage with more than 29,273 Greens comprising 2.95% of the electorate as of November 2006.[68] Madison, Wisconsin is the city with the most Green elected officials (8), followed by Portland, Maine (7).
Why are you lying?
Greens in Office
At least 143 Greens hold elected office in 20 states across the United States as of July 1, 2024, according to these criteria of who qualifies for inclusion in this list. Below includes 130 Greens currently serving in elected office, who were elected to those offices. Five more joined the Green Party after being elected, and another seven have been appointed to elected office. (Last updated August 23, 2024)
(https://www.gpelections.org/greens-in-office/)
Maybe don't start with an accusation, could be just inaccurate information?
He conveniently cut out the very first part of the Wikipedia section that states the info is from 2017, he posts and comments for 8 hrs a day, and this is his 3 name change.
That screams paid troll
My information was a cut and paste from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_the_United_States#Membership
--The Green Party's membership encompasses the fourth-highest percentage of registered voters in the United States, with a total membership of 234,120.[67] The Green Party has its strongest popular support on the Pacific Coast, Upper Great Lakes, and Northeast, as reflected in the geographical distribution of Green candidates elected.[68] As of June 2007, Californians have elected 55 of the 226 office-holding Greens nationwide. Other states with high numbers of Green elected officials include Pennsylvania (31), Wisconsin (23), Massachusetts (18) and Maine (17). Maine has the highest per capita number of Green elected officials in the country and the largest Green registration percentage with more than 29,273 Greens comprising 2.95% of the electorate as of November 2006.[69] Madison, Wisconsin is the city with the most Green elected officials (8), followed by Portland, Maine (7).--
Being incorrect isn't "lying." If you feel your information is more up-to-date and accurate (which it may be!), please feel free to update the Wikipedia article.
And the point being made was that Greens don't just run for presidential elections. Again, feel free to update the Wikipedia article.
Nothing like using 17 year old data to prop up your spoiler party!
I simply used wikipedia. Feel free to use your updated stats.
And it's not my "spoiler party." I'm not even voting Green Party. I didn't write the article, friend. I just posted it.
I have no comment on this particular political topic, but posting statistics without a source reference is bad form. Maybe it's not "lying" but it's misleading, intentional or not. Yes, you did post a source in proper context after you were challenged but it ended up making your original comment look worse. That is my opinion looking from the outside.
If you post data, just cross reference it a couple of times to reduce any friction later. Or don't. You do you.
Fair points. I didn't think to post that it was from Wikipedia because I've posted the entire Wikipedia web address before.
I get the "but greens have never run for any other office before!!" comment a LOT. So I just stopped posting the wiki addy and put the stats since people weren't actually looking at the article link. But moving forward, I'll do note it.
He won’t see this because he blocked me, but he’s either intentionally lying or using an inaccurate source. There are currently only 142 Greens in elected office in the US. No federal positions, eight state positions (though most were not elected as Greens), and the rest have been local/municipal elections.
Source - Wikipedia
Wikipedia seems to be using this website for it's source on that, and perplexity gave a quick break down of the positions, which I'd sum up as "City councils, library and school boards and stuffs."
In any case, I'm not sure if gpeletions are owned/affiliated with the green party directly. but yeah. I can't find a single person in the CA state assembly or senate that's not DFL/GOP.
edit: also, looking at wikipedia, it seems that the 8 state holders are all former office holders. There's no currently seated green party members at the state level.
edit 2: gpelections seems to be part of the green party's official set of websites. (if you go to gp.org, which is the green party official site, and click 'officeholders', it takes you to gpelections.org)
The way he keeps changing his name, I'd say he's intentionally lying.
My take after interacting with him is that he's taking pleasure in dancing around the rules of the community and being "technically correct" in adhering to the rules, while instigating heated discussions in others. With how often he brings up the civility rule I also wouldn't be surprised if he takes pleasure in manoeuvring others into overstepping and consequently reporting them.
I don't personally believe he's following the "good faith discussion" rule since he's demonstrated repeated refusal to consider facts (such as his personal "belief" that the spoiler effect doesn't exist), but I'm not a mod here.