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I hate how people talk about off grid living as something you can pull off alone, that's difficult even if you allow for buying food and installing all kinds of fancy infrastructure in your home.
The truth is that properly sustainable and reliable off-grid living requires a small community, because you need a lot of labour.
Right? Living off grid used to be called being banished by your tribe and it was basically a death sentence.
Other people are annoying as fuck, but I recognize I need them to live.
Casuals ruin everything
You nailed it. And these folks were simply living off canned food and ramen... For how long?
Communal living is great if you get the right mix of people with a shared vision... In the right location... With the right resources... To be successful it seems you need to have a pretty organic evolution of the process and attract people with shared vision. The dark side of this devolves into cultism; the brighter side is a sustainable living and sense of belonging.
Now there are people who live off the grid in places like Alaska (just watch Life Below Zero) and do it successfully... But these people grew up doing that or studied and prepared A LOT. And man, doing that solo is not easy. None of them seemed to be super healthy or cheerful.
In the past it took entire villages who still engaged in trade. Even back then you were on the grid even if it was a stone age one.
Kazinsky didn't live off the grid. He worked as a teacher from time to time, and received financial support from his father.
I don't know this guy, but even Superman needs a backup plan in case he gets sick, and infected wound or ruins his ankle by tripping over something. Living off grid alone is just one misstep away from catastrophe.
Somebody read Little House on the Prairie once and said, "I can do that!" I'm joking, but only slightly.
I read a book a while back about the real life of the author of little house on the prairie (it's called "prairie fires") - her books really sugarcoat how hard life was - even people who knew how to live off the land had a really hard time
But even in the story they went into town for food and blankets, and they didn't try to winter in a tent.
You quoted a post other than the one to which you replied
And everyone that wanted to live off the grid wanted to get away from people.
That should be the key takeaway. Prepping or off-grid that isn't at the community level is at best one step away from disaster.
We should learn from Lemmy, federated community is the way.
I am reminded of that guy who did that in Alaska solo, for like 30 years Dick Perniky or some such I believe his name was. He took video of wildlife and got it edited. I think he was 50 or there abouts when he left the lower 48.