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Russia says Donald Trump's election win "useful for us"
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I'm sick of this denial of voters culpability for their own votes. You are responsible for who you vote for and the outcomes. People voted for this and they are fundamentally responsible. Right now, folks just need to focus on making their local communities robust against the oncoming disasters.
They are responsible for their own votes but if the politicians aren’t able to sell their ideas then the blame is also on them.
I blame Brexit on those that voted leave but I also blame the remain campaign for sleepwalking into the Brexit referendum and not doing enough to counter the leave campaign’s lies.
I think Remain spent too long trying to counter Leaver lies. Leave just sprayed them out, not caring. Remain should have been making the case for the EU. (Though industrial scale lying is a news regulation issue. It not balance to give both sides equal time when one side is bullshiting.)
I'm sick of this denial of politician's culpability for their policies. That said yes community organising is always a good idea, maybe the American left, doing that, will actually finally figure out why they're not appealing to people who they should be appealing to. A left that isn't popular with the lower classes is doing something wrong, and I'm not saying stop giving a fuck about racism etc, I'm saying start giving a fuck about class.
There's almost zero representation for the left in the Democratic party, so it's not accurate to refer to the party as the left. Both of these parties are catering to the right, but one seems confused about why they keep losing to the party who isn't afraid to admit that they're just catering to the right.
I mean sure but they're commonly referred to in US politics as left, and also consider themselves to be on the left.
Not my fault y'all's overton window is fucked.
There are always lumpen elements that are too bought-in to serving the ruling class to be capable of class consciousness, and the US system has made sure that they have proliferated.
Before you judge them to be too bought-in how about starting to give a damn about their issues.
I'm sick of people blaming voters when they live in a State without democracy
Donald Trump won the popular vote in an election with record setting voter turnout. Lack of democracy from the electoral college or voter suppression didn't do this. People voting for Trump did.
Voter turnout was down many millions
Turnout seems to have been 158,481,688 (62.8%) in 2020 and although not yet tallied for 2024 the estimates are 138,437,782 counted so far. Can we just wait until the counts are done before making statements?
Turnout is down by at least 10 million from 2020.
This is the most damning rebuke of Democrats and their leaders. Trump's tactics worked.
It doesn't matter if the voters are to blame. If they don't vote for you, you haven't reached them. Complaining about that won't make them vote for you.
This being said everyone who is a citizen of a society has some responsibility for that society. So of course the voters have responsibility.