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People always forget that when you leave home with an EV, you always have a full "tank".
All you need is a house and a garage and room to keep your evs in there and an ev with a range big enough to handle all your travel needs or you'll still gave to own a 2nd vehicle that uses gas and then if you want to keep your ev past 100k miles just be sure to keep an extra $20,000 lying around for when the battery needs replaced.
But yeah, you can always leave home with a full tank. Of course, filling it to 100% also degrades the batteries faster. But don't worry. Your warranty will kick in once you lose about 1/3 of capacity. Sure ducks if your 300 mile range vehicle (when the weather is right) can only go 220 miles, but that isn't quite bad enough for warranty coverage.
You seem salty and misinformed. Ever own an EV?
I own a hybrid. Between knowing batteries, electronics, evs and vehicles, I'm more informed and knowledgeable than most people on here. EVs are only great if you own a garaged house, want to take large losses on resale, and keep newer vehicles. A lot of people do fit in that category, but for everyone else they're still a poor idea for now. They're fine if you only keep vehicles under a warranty and trade them in. They aren't a "thrifty" option.
Lol a self declared expert huh? Bows to your greatness
I never had a garage, I sold for 80% what I paid 3 years later, and I usually go with 4-5 year old, under 50k km private sale vehicles outside of the EV(because it's a newer market). I was pretty giddy to buy my first new vehicle. Might have been my last, depending on my funds when an electric truck that meets my needs hits the market.
Thanks for sharing your opinion though. Takes all types.
Well I've been paid for working on all of the above, so I guess that makes me a self declared proffesional, sport.
Cool story bro! Tell me about how great gas stoves are next.
If you were "more knowledgeable than most people on here" then you wouldn't be so wrong about everything you're saying... Seems like maybe you're just smug and also full of shit. Great combo!
Hybrids are the worst of both worlds - intensely limited electric range, performance worse than electric, fuel efficiency not much better than diesel alone, expensive to buy and maintain (you not only have to buy and maintain a full combustion engine but you also have to buy a battery). No wonder you think EVs are rubbish.
Lmao no you aren't. I do power electronics professionally, you have never demonstrated any understanding of electronics in our previous discussions.
EVs have fewer moving parts and require less maintenance than old fashioned ICE vehicles.
They also lose value much faster and repairs outside of warranty are much more expensive.
Plus again, you almost have to have a house and garage to keep one. Not to mention the cost of the charge station set up in your garage (usually around $1,200).
Then you also have how much quicker tires wear out. Replacing $800 tires every 30,000 miles is a lot more expensive than $600 tires every 50,000 miles.
I almost wrote out a point by point debunking of this non-sence but I feel like now I'm just attacking you and that's not fair.
Anyone reading. Please do some research, this guy should have.
Go ahead. Point by point. I'm quite interested in seeing how you can deny the tire wear and the EV hookup costs. Well known and easily searched information like that must be "super" easy to argue against. Lol
Naw, you are the "Professional", I'm on holidays.
You aren't interested in any of that. When I say "My EV came with the charger and an electrician did it for $200, you'll say "well that's not usually how it goes! I know. I'm a paid Professional."
I don't need convincing, you don't want convincing, anyone reading this can google and research about the tires (mine were still considered 80% by the dealership after 3 years and 40 something k)
So.. whoops, kinda did go point by point. Guess when you actually owned an EV it's not that complicated.
Happy Holidays!
Can use a regular outlet with the included portable charger to top off over night as well. Cost me $0 to install. I do this regularly. Some ignorant and stubborn people just want to find ways to make EV seem implausible and they're usually the ones who have never used or owned one.
The tire thing is somewhat based in reality because of the weight but that's marginal, I think this urban legend got compounded by folks getting their shiny performance model Tesla's, probably their first fast car, going "weeeee" every time they take off from a red light at max speed and then being surprised the tires get chewed through.
Oh yeah there are downsides to EVs, but the upsides mostly outweighed them already in 2020.
I spent so little on "gas" with my EV. It was very hard to even pin down a number on my hydro bill because we redid the windows the same month we bought the EV, and our basement tenants moved out the month I got rid of it weirdly enough. It was something like $50-80 month, when I usually fill up twice a month with my current truck at ~$100/tank.
And I didn't spend a penny on oil changes, so that's $80 twice a year for my lazy ass that gets it done when I swap tires. I laughed when I read the manual for regular maintenance and it was like "moisturize window seals" and air filter changes until 60k or something stupid.
Coles notes is that EVs are really great, but there's a few tradeoffs as we move towards full adoption. I'm glad I had mine, disappointed I had to give it up. But having it really let me see it in high def.
Can't wait to go back.
The tires were more expensive (obviously they came with the car, but I bought winters from The dealership and I didn't have as many choices,) but I never cheap out on tires.
You want to know what drove me the most insane about my EV?
The battery.
Not the 28kw lithium battery cells.
The lead acid starter battery.
In the year of our Lord 2018 I couldn't start my car, because even though it was fully charged with 28kw of lithium power, it's starter battery is some 1940's lead acid box.
I had to buy a noco battery booster, essentially keeping a extra, separate 500watts or whatever in my trunk. Even though I had 28kw fully charged... In that vehicle....
I know a couple people that hung extension cables from second and third story apartment windows to plug in their Nissan Leafs or similar low end EVs.
Most people - city dwellers and even suburbanites - don't need a garage, nor a house, nor an EV that can go hundreds of miles at the drop of a hat. Most trips people make are pretty short in comparison to the range of any modern vehicle, electric or combustion.
For country folk, the considerations are different to be sure. But anecdotally, one of those people that hung a cable out a window years ago now lives a couple hours outside the city and still drives an EV that gets less than 150 miles of range. The biggest alteration to someone's lifestyle by getting a low range EV is the money saved by making pretty minor adjustments.
Why is a garage needed?
It isn't. Dude's an "expert".
I had mine outside my house, and while it did suck to have to plug and unplug it in the cold Canadian winters, it took 10 seconds, not the 5 minutes stopping at a gas station takes. It was a great trade off to never have to stop at a gas station.
Few people want to get wired and lug/have out a heavy duty 30 amp extension cord running out into their driveway to plug in their car.
Beyond that, during the winter months, having a completely cold soaked ev battery when it's like 10 degrees Fahrenheit outside MASSIVELY cuts down on your range, while having to leave your car outside 24/7 during the summer causes your battery to degrade faster, so you want it left parked in the shade.
have you ever seen a car charger? it's less bulky than a water hose
We've entered the fact-free zone again with the mental sloth.
Still haven't answered why after 120yrs of internal combustion evolution, best they can do still gets less than 5% energy after drivetrain losses to moving your fat smelly ass:
What embarrassing efficiency from ICE vehicles, with hybrid vehicles being a low quality bandage.
I agree with you for the most part but I love my fuckin volt hybrid man.
I can make it back and forth to work on pure electric, I can go shopping, I can go into town and come back.
If I need to go further than commute distance, I just go and the gas kicks in when it's out of juice. When I get to my target location if there are charges around I pull up and charge, If not that's okay too. I run through about 7 gallons of gas every two or three months.
Glad you enjoy it, it's good that a fuel transitional vehicle is working for you. It can't be the stopping point in vehicle evolution, which is what I fight with this guy's constant disinformation about.
Imagine lying about being an engineer in an attempt to get more clout lol.
Anyway drive safe, glad you don't have those garbage Toyotas that are like 15mi range all electric. 😂