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how has media so successfully gaslit people into believing that the ukraine was ever even successful at being a liberal democracy? i guess all that rampant corruption that was covered by liberal outlets suddenly stopped being a thing when the SMO started
Because they want and need to believe it so that it justifies their warmongering and bloodlust against Russia
This essay is mentioned too often but it's so good https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
Class analysis on imperialist propaganda and why Westerners believe it so easily
Same reason liberals still think the US is a democracy: if you just say something enough times loudly enough, people start to believe it.
I think a lot of them also don't really understand how the government works, and their conception of what "Democracy" means is so deeply enmeshed in the American Civil Religion that they're dealing with more of a religious article of faith than an actual political system grounded in the real world.
Of course it is, that's how "Democracy" has always worked. In what meaningful way has the US ever promoted Democracy? Yet every single military action abroad is justified by saying we're defending Democracy. It's not an actual thing, just a signifier (and practically speaking, democratic countries = countries that bend the knee to US hegemony).
This is exactly what is meant by democracy in the empire. They don't mean anything else and the only time it's important is if there isn't a willing dictator to install instead.
I doubt most of them knew Ukraine existed in any real sense. All I knew about Ukraine when things started to heat up is that it used to be part of the USSR and there was a revolution there in '14.
was a ~~revolution~~ violet overthrow of a democratically elected government by torch-wielding neo-nazi thugs in '14
FTFY ๐
Yup, no question. I didn't understand the politcs and details until I started looking in to it.
This is anecdotal but should be enough to get you started at least
No you see its like in the movies when the bad guy joins the good guys to fight a new bad guy.