I was looking up footage of the ICE LA thing the other day and about 2/3 comments are just "HELL YEAH! THIS IS WHAT I VOTED FOR! KICK THESE CRIMINALS OUT!"
Holy shit 
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After WWIII, China needs to put the west under international tutelage and a heavy denazification process. No political agency for at least 50 years while the re-education takes place on a societal scale.
literally 90% of the pop needs it
do you know what class is
https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/
say hi to Adrian Zenz for me
if i was going to ethnically cleanse a minority population, i would not exclude them from a population control measure that i enacted on the majority population for decades
Stop spreading these disgusting lies
I'm sorry were you trying to make a lemmy.world account and somehow get lost and end up here?
Amazing how the Uyghur population goes up each year despite being ethnically cleansed. Hopefully they can teach Palestinians how to generate more people while being eliminated
This is a horrendous rebuttal. The Palestinian population has, in fact, gone up since the Nakba, and quite often this fact has been used to dismiss the policy of apartheid and ethnic cleansing that the Zionist entity employs.
If you want to argue against nonsense claims about China's policies regarding its ethnic minorities, then focus on concrete facts, such as the lack of any corroborating evidence that there is a genocide happening. If you want to compare it to Palestine, instead compare the overwhelming flood of footage and primary source evidence of the atrocities being perpetrated even under Internet blackout and blockade, and how it would be comparably impossible for there to be a targeted policy of genocide within China that didn't have any footage or photographic evidence in the modern age.
Raw population number is itself a terrible argument against violent repression and discrimination (Palestine is not the only example of a violently oppressed people whose population has grown, either)
I don't think the person I'm responding to would consider Palestinians as being "ethnically cleansed" before operation al-Aqsa flood. Has the Palestinian population in Palestine gone up since then ?
Oh they probably wouldn't, I'm just saying that I have seen this literal argument, that if the entity is trying to get rid of Palestinians why is their population increasing, as a way to refute the oppression of Palestinians pre-2023. So to use it in this case is just not a strong argument, because that isn't really a metric of oppression.
Much clearer to point out the increase in living conditions, education, employment opportunities, health care, transit, places of worship, cultural protections, political engagement, etc. and the decrease in street violence and poverty, in Xinjiang, which is something that absolutely at no time has ever occurred for Palestinians.
If you check out my comment history I've written more in depth responses on the subject, this was a passing comment to someone I didn't expect to really care. I see your point about raw population not being a strong argument, and I think z poster's response on relative population versus raw population is important to consider
Raw population numbers is a terrible argument, but relative population numbers is not. If the percentage of the total Chinese population that is Uyghur is increasing over long sustained periods of time, then that is indeed evidence against ethnic cleansing and genocide. As is China exempting the Uyghurs for years from the one-child policy, there's literally a stronger case that China ethnically cleansed the Han majority than there is for Uyghur genocide when looking at the population numbers and policies.
Palestinians for example, despite increasing in total population during certain periods (not since Oct 7th, 2023 though - now we have a total population decrease) has been decreasing in relative population in Occupied Palestine since the nakba. Thus you could determine ethnic cleansing was happening by just looking at the relative populations.
That's still not a great metric of ethnic cleansing. Relative populations of white people in Canada are decreasing, does that mean there is ethnic cleansing of white Canadians? Of course not. The same also goes the other way: an exploited group's relative population increasing does not mean they are not exploited. Population levels are not on their own a very useful metric for trying to understand whether a group is being oppressed.
There are much better arguments to use that are clear indicators of oppression/systemic violence, since population on its own is not inherently correlated to racial discrimination. It's so much more effective to point to, as you mention yourself, the exclusion of ethnic minorities from the one-child policy, or the increase in life expectancy, the elimination of absolute poverty, the increase in health care, cultural/religious protections, civic engagement, etc in Xinjiang (or other regions with large minority populations) to dispel myths about Chinese targeting/elimination of minority populations.
I would say a decrease in relative population is not enough to positively confirm ethnic cleansing is happening (just one indicator), however an increase in relative population is sufficient to dismiss any claims of ethnic cleansing or genocide.
when's the last time missiles landed in Urumqi?
this comment is kind of buried so you didn't get in-depth rebuttals, but I want to point out that if you use the search function on hexbear and search Xinjiang or Uighur you'll get pages and pages of discussion and citations digging into all the claims that have been made in the west. The sterilization claim, for example, comes from an extremely misleading study by Adrian Zenz which used mathematical sleight of hand to drastically inflate the number of IUDs being applied in Xinjiang https://web.archive.org/web/20220908012316/https://twitter.com/abovetheclouds/status/1404918115423633414
Hey guys what if we use state authority to root out fascism? Idk sounds like fascism to me
Reichwing a-holes are easy to deal with; punch 'em, block 'em, ignore 'em. It's the blue-heart, pearl-clutching, shitlibs that drive me nuts. They swarm a site with their righteous indignation; comment negatively on one and a hundred more attack. A comment about not voting for a politicians who supports genocide suddenly becomes accusations that you're a Trump-loving racist. Liberals ruin any site the touch.
So when I first moved to db0 I was exposed to hexbear for the first time. Some of the funniest takes on Lemmy are here. But you guys are thin skinned. No criticism allowed.
Using words you don't understand to describe situations you have no knowledge of isn't criticism
There's more to life than can fit in a little red book.
you didn't know what the word reactionary meant. Like politics 101 you learn as a baby. Maybe shut up and listen
You were taught politics as a baby? Dark way to grow up.
Some of us aren't white american dudes who only learned about politics existing from breadtube after they went through an 'edgy' phase.
De donde eres el...... PlayStation!
yeah it was so dark and terrible knowing the mechanisms of society and understanding how everything works and always being right
Kapital clap back. You can make 3 volumes with that kind of material.
Folks are we so buried in irony our jabs look like compliments?
Sometimes i upvote people i'm arguing with because i think it's polite 😔
I get it, I'm mostly worried that I'm suffering from terminal irony poisoning.
@ civility
You really thought you ate with that one
The fact that it crossed your mind means I did.
Why do you guys always start talking like petulant 13 year olds as soon as your youtube-level political takes aren't well recieved? It bespeaks a bruised ego.
Hey how's fighting fascism going for you?
do you know what class is
Alright, enough of this nonsense. Consider yourself mutilated.
"Oh fuck I said some dumb shit and now I'm getting called out, time to act like everyone around me is just easily offended!"
Where'd you get that photo of me?
WizardOfLoneliness at least responded to your argument. It was hardly a polite response, but they did address and counter your underlying point. The moment you were challenged, you had no defense. All you could do was spit out snide insults. Your beliefs are built on a foundation of popsicle sticks and stale crackers.
it's not thin skinned to bully people for liberal, proto fascist or downright reactionary takes
Ok, into the mineshaft these people go, like Josip Bro Tito did.
The first option was a compromise.
Man it's not everyday you get to see a live reaction of a liberal seething over something you said explicitly with the intent of rage baiting. Thank you