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Guys guys! Always remember: it could have been much much worse with that unpopular Kamala! Remember that there was absolutely nothing that you could have done to prevent this. Nothing!
Kamala choosing genocide and the oligarchy over us led directly to this. Stop scapegoating and enabling them.
I voted for her but I hate the losers that defend her. The whole party basically gave us the finger. Kamala was Trump's biggest ally, she threw the fight.
People don't seem to know what the word defend means anymore. It's not defending anyone to point out the obvious fact that not voting for Harris was a really stupid thing to have done and is what actually led us here. This routine of "voters aren't responsible for their choices because I didn't like the available choices" has grown extremely tiresome. America had a choice and enough people chose extremely poorly, so generations moving forward will pay for it. We have a right to be pissed about that poor choice.
It's the job of political parties to get votes. They choose their platform. They thought they had an easy win and orchestrated the whole shit show.
Not voting for Harris was stupid, but the fault still lies with the party that chose Israel over you. If you keep enabling, we get the exact same energy next time. They are already trying to push kamala again FFS.
There's such a huge overlap between users that push this and actual Zionists on Lemmy. It wasn't the fuck genocide crowd that's in the wrong but the party that dived into it instead of something sane like universal healthcare. What a fucking joke.
Two things can be true. It can be the democrats' fault also. Which it clearly is. Voters have a responsibility to be informed but they aren't. If anyone is defending anything it's you and your friends defending that ignorance.
I'm not surprised in any way that you implied everyone is a zionist who disagrees with you. That tracks completely.
It's first and foremost the people in charge of the party at fault for losing the election. They are the ones that need to change, not the voters.
This is why I see it as Israeli talking points. It's basically saying "Kamala was right, it's the voters that have to learn to stomach genocide, Israel calling the shots and the kleptocracy in general".
The dems are supposed to be the good guys, yet they saw the low low bar that was trump and decided to aim just above it, and missed. We should be vocal about their fuck up, not giving them a pass. You are defending their actions by scapegoating them away.
So you're directly saying ignorance/zealotry is acceptable.
Absolutely zero people say or think this, and you making it up here shows you cannot be taken seriously. I do not believe you voted for Kamala. That's just your way of trying to obtain credibility.
I'm saying the pro genocide zealotry coming from politicians is the actual problem. Being against genocide is far from ignorance.
I understand pragmatism as much as the next guy, and I did take that route, but you will not catch me dead saying the ones that drew the line at genocide are somehow in the wrong.
The party has to change and they were wrong to push the genocide. It's as easy as that, and you are pushing against that change and encouraging their behavior.
And ya, people don't say it outright but that's exactly what it implies.
There will never be a world in which I can agree that people sacrificing everyone's future, while literally making worse the issue they claim to be prioritizing, is acceptable. It's myopic and idiotic to do that, and saying so implies nothing more than exactly that.
I'm inclined to believe that at least half the people spreading this message aren't that stupid though, but rather bad actors, oftentimes foreign-paid, bad actors.
Literally what the dems did last election, and they orchestrated the situation instead of just reacting to it.
I blame the corrupt politicians instead of ordinary folks making a bad decision, especially when the "bad" decision is the actual moral one (still bad in the scope of things, just morally better). You do you bro.
It only would have been moral if even the simplest of minds couldn't have foreseen what their action would lead to. They could have but refused to, thereby accepting full culpability.
Interesting that when a small group of people do something, it's horrifying but if millions do it you're okay with it.
The US doesn't have political parties. It has a morality test that asks you to pick between harm reduction, psychopathy, and apathy. Most people pick apathy.
Ya, it just feels like people would rather punch down than actual try to get the system to change a bit. Feels like pissing in the wind to go after voters, they aren't the root cause.
Edit: I'm getting downvoted by zeroconnections alt accounts (fedded and robo)
What are you doing to change the system, other than complaining on a niche corner of the Internet
Not punching down and trying to hold the actual root cause responsible.