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Hasan Piker and Cenk Uyger have both been banned from traveling to the UK to talk about Israel.
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Individual rights and freedoms, the things that supposedly separate the "democratic" west from its "authoritarian" adversaries, are being shredded on behalf of Zionism.
Mfs will literally see him and other "soft left" people get tossed into an ICE facility and still Tut Tut here about how he's a lib
I don't think you're completely wrong,but come on,I think there's a more pressing issue here than getting a nice dunk on on your favorite streamer to hate because he's not radical enough
I really don't get the schadenfreude,you do know you're next on the chopping block,right? First they silence the voices with more reach and then no one can speak out when they come for the average person in full force
cheering the IDF when they bulldoze the house of someone who tweeted some dumb lib shit
There's a tremendous difference between criticizing Hasan for saying silly and backwards things and in any manner supporting his persecution by neoliberal states.
The thing that I find wild is all the so called "leftists" who simply vote for Democratic progressives or their equivalent will not take the hint and maybe, just once, listen to a fucking communist. Like, on the spectrum of ideology Hasan's presentation would hardly qualify as anything more then Social Democratic, and this is how the state meets his energy. They'll make a spectacle out of him, and then hope a groyper does the dirty work for them. Your outward communist member of the community? They'll get black bagged. Plenty of that was going around during the BLM era. I'm sure its going to make a comeback.
Like, I get what you're saying, but I don't know that the people who call him a liberal in that way want him dead. Some of those people though are ultras or crypto-fascists. But we both know we need to move beyond his politics. That's at least what I see here in these spaces. If all Hasan ever did was talk shit online the feds wouldn't care. The difference between him and these ultras is he shows himself touching grass. That's the danger he presents. If even 1% of his viewers are inspired to also touch grass instead of debating online, then that's a breach of containment.
But liberals will see this happening and not want to hear from those to Hasan's left. The question I have is, how does this shape his perspective going forward? He said on stream that "liberal democracy is dead", but I've heard him say that before. So who knows. I have a feeling things are not going to change all that much. He'll keep doing this progressive Dem push and then be disappointed when nothing ultimately gets better.
Then what?
I think you’ve kinda got it right in so much as that there is not free speech that can actually explicitly threaten the existing power structure. Anyone who knows their history here knows that as the truth. The “then what” is likely that Hasan goes no further because the alternative is him getting got.
I’m definitely in team pro Hasan. Socialists need these kind of faces to promote the ideology, even if he isn’t strictly an ML.
being rejected from the uk by an office whose job is to reject people is way different from being tossed in a concentration camp lmao. obviously i don't like the uk and i think they're one of the worst countries in the world when it comes to banning people from entering their country. but come on. hasan piker isn't going to suffer because of this. maybe the palestinians will. he was not "tossed into an ICE facility", he was forced to go to bed in his own mansion. it's not just that he's not "radical enough", it's that he is actively attempting to channel working-class energies into unproductive ends. he's another karl kautsky and he should absolutely be called on his shit.
I'm sorry how is this not explicit critical support for resentful British zionists because YOU happen to believe Hasan is Kautsy or whatever the fuck, which is apparently way more important than the fact one of the loudest pro-Palestinian voices in the world has been deplatformed
Also "actively attempting to channel working-class energies into unproductive ends" that's an ironic laugh, sell any newspapers lately? Got the lease for the patch of woods in Bumfuck, USA where the commune will be founded?
i made a point to explicitly say it's not a good thing that hasan piker got banned from the uk. also it's ironic you're accusing me of being a deviationist when you are actively supporting a radlib influencer.
I think you made a half ass attempt to cover your ass while clearly signaling you do support it as some vague form of nesascry evil
I mean the motherfucker is supposed to be Kautsy RIGHT??? So why don't you post the :let them fight: emoji or say with your chest; critical support for British zionists in their struggle against radlib deviationists who lead the working class astray......
Do you actually believe this shit or are you just operating off pure parasocial resentment?
the point of my comment was that we should continue to call hasan on his shit. i actually don't think it's good that zionists can control who enters the uk. which is why i said it hurts palestinians. hasan piker is in no way, shape, or form the start of first they came for. actually i don't understand how you could possibly come up with the idea that i think the zionazis are struggling against hasan when i said that this doesn't hurt him in the slightest. are you just here to make vague accusations that double as vague confessions? i mean, i'm the parasocial one?
He was going to the UK to collaborate with Corybn and speak at the Oxford Union, advancing in the heart of a major zionist powerbase real anti-zionism
The fact you cannot clock that deplatforming Hasan in itself hurts the Palestinian cause, as if that deplatforming doesn't send a powerful signal to other more vulnerable pro-Palestinian voices
No, instead what matters is your oppression Olympics ass perception of Niemöller's poem and your hyper obsession with fellow travelers who dare engage in electoralism in a country that kills socialists when they step outside the legalist boundaries. And you think I'm gonna trust your ability to "call shit" on anything?
The bane of radlib electoralism is more important in your mind than the realized threat of zionist fascism, that's the Gordian knot you've twisted yourself into
And you know what I give that? A resounding FUCK OFF and not because I particularly care what you think about Hasan, but because youre trivalizing a real threat and as far as I'm concerned that shit is anti-solidarity
I don't think it needs to be such a hostile discussion. I think it tends to get this hostile when people overestimate the importance of individual voices. No-one is going to change policy over our discussions. If it convinces people to act or not act in some circumstances it will do so in a much wider environment of discussions not on its own. Some people think Hasan is misleading people into an electoral political road that will just win them fell for it again awards. Some people think Hasan is bringing attention to Palestinian issues and anti-Imperialist narratives that people already on that path need to hear and won't hear easily without him. Both those views have justifiable arguments for and against. It doesn't have to be this hostile, we're all just people having a chat, nothing we say will make or break anything. Some minds might be changed, but even that will be in unpredictable ways because we don't control most of the factors that will effect how they receive our words, only our words.
again, i specifically said this hurts the palestinian people. i don't understand why you keep trying to call me out on things that i not only never said, but in fact said the opposite. maybe i wasn't clear enough in my original comment. i guess that's on me. the intent of the original comment was to strongly disagree with the notion that we shouldn't criticize hasan, that such criticism is trivial or meaningless, or that such criticism represents "schadenfreude". all three of those things are wrong but i guess a lot of this stems from how i zeroed in on the schadenfreude thing and never actually mentioned the word in my response.
I wasn't saying that he was
My point is that this is the prelude
I'm sorry,do you honestly think this is a good thing? That the principled UK government restricted the freedom of travel for the reformist and took a bold stance against revisionism? Or do you think that this creates a permission structure for more dire measures in the future? My argument isn't that he's getting tossed in an ICE camp now, it's that he may well be in the future!
Sorry,but this is ridiculous,do you honestly think he's safe just because he's palatable now and has money? That he's a plant and that this is kayfabe? Let's just forget the Niemoller poem,I guess. Unlike the person above that made some reasonable points,I think this is exactly what I'm talking about. Dunk politics central
no, i don't think this is a good thing. actually, i made a point of specifically saying it's not a good thing. but it's also not particularly new. the uk has always been quick to ban people from their country. both individuals and races. it has nothing to do with them coming for hasan piker. they're coming for palestinians. and refusing to call him on his democrat entryist nazi bullshit or his misogynistic bullshit does nothing to help anyone. especially when it's his job to make people believe what he believes.