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I meant that I was wary about the Rockhill. Sounds like a whole lot of guilt by association, which isn’t necessarily wrong, but might not be helpful in terms of critiquing their analytical failures. Maybe that’s ground that Losurdo already covers well enough, and since Rockhill edited Losurdo’s volume, perhaps he didn’t feel the need to tread that ground again. I’m surprised I haven’t seen more reviews that deal with both books in tandem.
For Losirdo, I’m just about finished with War and Revolution (excellent, excellent stuff), and I have Democracy or Bonapartism on deck.
So far my preferred critique of Western Marxism comes from Aijaz Ahmad in In Theory, but it’ll be a few more days until I’m back in the same room as my books and notes so I wouldn’t do a good enough job of articulating why until then.
Interested in your reasoning on Ahmad whenever you have time.
I’ll ping you later in the week. Good excuse to type up my notes from that book, which I’ve been procrastinating on.
What are you reading now?
I'm on a re-read of German Ideology because a new reading group in my party wants to do it and they need me to set up the leading questions. I'm also reading Marx's Inferno, but I've had to slow that one down, though I find it a really intriguing book!
How familiar does one have to be with Marx and Engels's opponents in The Holy Family or The German Ideology? I've only read excerpts in anthologies and not the full texts.
Some notes on Ahmad:
Rockhill favorably cites Ahmad in his introduction to Losurdo's Western Marxism, so some of this may be covered in their works, as well. Ahmad is mostly focused on literary theory, and the ways many Western theorists clump all of "Third World" literature together, while also only treating examples of it written or translated into English, but he also discusses the general intellectual climate in Europe and the U.S. between 1968 and the fall of the U.S.S.R.
Although there are positive aspects of Theory that are "worth retaining," the "dominant strands within this 'theory'. as it has unfolded after the movements of the 1960s were essentially over, have been mobilized to domesticate, in institutional ways, the very forms of political dissent which their movements had sought to foreground." (p. 1)
In the absence of a mass movement, theory turned away from political economy and the class struggle, while retaining some of the weaknesses of the movements that radicalized their participants. In France, the radical period coincided with the Algerian and Indochina Wars, but that period (1945-1965) was also the time of "the installation of a new-style, Fordist regime of capital accumulation, thanks largely to French acceptance of the Marshall Plan" (p. 59) In the U.S., the antiwar movement's "predominant sentiment was that of anti-colonialism, and the bulk of the mobilization, including the main organizers (the role of the Church and pacifist groups is usually understated in accounts from the Left) represented the political traditions of decent liberalism thrown into agony by the scale of savagery and the number of American deaths" (p. 40).
The result (of this among other things -- as you can tell my my page numbers I'm bouncing around a bit)
Another major issue was that of academic professionalism and professionalization. The generation that came of age after the '60s in the U.S. had no major homegrown theorists as their forebears. The previous generation of Communists were activists who were purged from the universities in the McCarthy Era and didn't leave behind much written output. Meanwhile, once Nixon started pulling troops out of Vietnam, the movement was dead. "It is a measure of how much the American Left has needed to suppress the memory of Vietnam in the process of normalizing itself into a professionally responsible stratum that it organized no movement of any proportions either to demand from its state that it undertake reparations or to mobilize resources from the citizenry to help rebuild what their rulers and armies had destroyed so utterly" (p. 28).
Coupled with the turn from political economy to culture, this was a fatal error. "When this material devastation brought in its train the inevitable disorientations in the social and political domains, those who believe in the moral grandeur of revolutions but not in the brute reality of the material conditions in which people actually build their own lives and their revolutions were thoroughly disillusioned" (p. 29).
The new leftist academics, then, produced "a very academic kind of Marxism; and given the absence of a preceding Marxist cultural tradition, this new Marxism was frequently and fashionably combined with all sorts of other things, in all kinds of eclectic and even esoteric ways" (p. 62).
But they didn't really critique themselves.
Marcuse's turn toward the erotic, Adorno's pessimism, Althusser's all-too-broad account of ideological state apparatuses, etc., contributed to the (non- or anti-Marxist) development of poststructuralism, with its Foucauldian "discourses" and conversations (p. 38-39). And what of conversation?
...
The result is a theory with a "distinctly consumptionist slant" (p. 71).
Anyway, there's a whole lot more to the book, especially on literature, post-colonialism, and anti-imperialism. The chapters where he critiques Fredric Jameson and Edward Said are really great, too.
Oh man that part about the string of citations is realllllly good. So I see that Ahmad is in the same sort of project as Rochkill, an analysis of how the major thinkers of the time got us to where we are. He takes positions which I am already pretty sympathetic or in agreement with, so it would be a good read! I'm putting it om the list!
On the german ideology and holy family, I'm of the opinion that passing knowledge is fine if you're not trying to be a Marx scholar. I think it's ok to trust that people like Losurdo can holistically describe marx through his life of learning and not become someone who knows the books in and out. German Ideology provides some useful points to grasp to understand how Marx thinks generally, but isn't as useful to really grasp Capital and his mature works because he was still really working through his Hegelianism. My favorite example is his use of 'alienation' which still lacks in materialist rigour, but he later develops it into exploitation and commodity fetishism as the ways that alienation materially arises at both ends of the commodity process.
They are also useful to place yourself into Marxs shoes and understand the type of polemics he does and how he tries to argue his points generally. But if you're already comfy in his later works then who cares unless you're trying to make new claims about Marx?
I think it’s really strange to read the main transitional aspect of TGI as Marx “working through his Hegelianism”/this being the main separation between it and Capital, when Marx never had any Hegelianism to work through, and only describes himself as a “disciple of Hegel” (/calls Hegel “my master”) in maturity; wrt alienation, Marx already basically lays out his mature conception of alienation in TGI as a feeling that drives the proletariat to revolution and as a necessary historical phase to create the productive forces necessary for communism (all this as opposed to alienation being a humanist value postulate, as in The Holy Family), and the further detail/development of the concept of alienation (in how it historically arises and manifests itself) in Capital has nothing to do with Marx having further thrown off his Hegelianism, it’s just a direct product of his further economic research where he stops being reliant on Smith (for TGI) and constructs his own political economy.
Is it better if I say idealism? Marx was trying to flesh out materialism but only had Feuerbach as any good example before him, and was trying to establish a rigorous materialism. So I consider that his Hegelianism he was still working through, but maybe it helps if we just say that Marx still had some idealism that he needed to work through to get to a rigorous materialism (dialectical, of course)?
You used the word "feeling" in your definition of alienation as described in TGI. Meanwhile the mature versions of Commodity fetishism and exploitation are direct relations to production that are measurable. I would call this advancing past a hegelianism towards a scientific notion
Thanks! When you said "rereading," I was thinking, "crap, I'm way behind on things."
Meh, I wouldn't be rereading it if my party wasn't trying to organize a newbie reading group. I'm needed as a well-enough-read comrade to think of good questions to stimulate comradely debate.
Yeah I'm not a big fan of Rockhill generally, but more because he seems less intensely studied in his subjects than a Losurdo. I have the same critique of Vijay Prashad (though with him i also have strong ideological disagreements). I won't shit talk or argue against Rockhill though, it just feels like his oeuvre is a bit more aimed towards newbies to MLism and I am a bit allergic to hollowness. But I've been spoiled by the likes of Lukasc and Losurdo. But I don't recommend random people to read Losurdo, and I likely will about Rockhill
Oh yeah, I meant to ask about your ideological disagreements with Prashad, too.
I think i likely overstated them a tad, just that I have yet to find any ideological disagreements with Rockhill (possibly for lack of reading him much) and have meanwhile found Prashad odd in his inspirations/associations. In one of his books he praises Brezhnev as his like ideal leader and that just seems pretty weak on understanding revolutionary potential, and he has praised Chomsky on many occasions, which reads to me as either opportunism or some liberalism towards western academics that I can't be on board with. I think this couples to his 'I'm just a Marxist, not any specific sect' shtick.
But generally he's good and I have no trouble discussing him positively! I just am wary of his standpoints when I think on his heros.
Vijay Prashad can be corny a lot, and holds a lot of optimism which can come across as naïve to some more cynical types. But I would not ever consider him an opportunist. Dude is a genuine communist, has been for his whole life and is properly well informed on communist theory and history. In one of his recent videos he made a passing comment that financially life has been a struggle. He doesn’t have health insurance. If he’s an opportunist then he’s bad at it. He could make a lot more money selling out his principles to talk on cable news.
I believe this is based in principle, not aesthetic. He is a big proponent of left unity. This is not to say he compromises on principle. I have seen him frankly disagree with people to their faces on several occasions. But he highly values that people sit and talk to each other, that that’s a necessary prerequisite to solving our problems. Especially in an era of capitalist antisocial fragmentation. Getting people into association together has to happen so that they can come to discuss politics and build class consciousness, just as the concentration of workers into factories and neighborhoods developed the proletariat as a class.
I definitely agree that Prashad isn't doing the 'marxist not NL' thing for aesthetics, but I dont yet see how he can seek unity but not comrpomise on principles. Just taking Chomsky as the example, how does that look to you? I guess I'm fine on hexbear being a unity platform, but I would not organize or call people on here i disagree with inspiring or anything.
But for the rest, I agree, I should've made my initial comment a bit less enthusiastically (if I remember right, I was just done with a pretty intense argument and feeling a bit moody lol). I like Prashad, I just think his unity stuff is weak, personally, and think that less-than-ideal strategy of his comes out in lots of works. But I'm open to change on that, tbh, the distance between he and I is not that big
Well, that's eyebrow-raising.
That one i just genuinely dont get, but i definitely read him call himself a brezhnevite before, and idk what to think of someone with thay position at all
Brezhnev, in fact, is very fondly remembered in the former USSR.
I'm definitely influenced by Western propaganda here, as I'm mostly familiar with the gerontocracy jokes from the end of his tenure. But a quick refresher from Wikipedia reminds me that there are good reasons to remember his time fondly:
Compared to the current world leaders, Brezhnev and others were much younger, although they tended to have shitty health, because they fought in the Great Patriotic War, many were wounded and generally had many health compications.
The main joke I remember is from 1980, so five years after he had a stroke, in which he begins a speech by saying "Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh" and an aide has to tell him that those are the Olympic rings.
What is the difference between Brezhnev and Gorbachev? Brezhnev collected Soviet decorations, while Gorbachev collected Western ones.