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As an employee of a neutral newspaper Washington Post, I would just like to loudly say that WE ARE PROFITING FROM THIS WAR, THAT IS WHY THIS WAR IS GOOD.
You think the slavi ukrani people will read this and maybe figure out they're being duped or do you think they would just scold WaPo for being too cynical about the brave troops?
Nah, the vast majority of them already believe what WaPo believes, they just don't want to appear rude by saying it out loud. If they cared about Ukrainians, they would be mad at NATO for killing the Ukraine-Russia deal that was made very early into the war and where Ukraine would not lose any territory, but would only have to promise not to ever join NATO.
I forgot, when did Putin join NATO?
“Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.
Lovely_sombrero is talking about the April deal spiked by Boris Johnson's visit, this article is alleging a deal in late Feb/early March
Oh, when Russia would have had to withdraw to its position on February 23 and therefore Ukraine would sacrifice Donbas and Crimea and hand wave away a bunch of war crimes in exchange for not joining NATO.
Seems like a real balanced solution.
The battle lines have not really moved very much, after 500,000 Ukrainian casualties. Was it worth it?
Sure it's been worth it, the US has weakened Russia at a relatively low cost (other than for the Ukrainians).
Have they really though? Can you really "weaken" a nuclear power?
Embarrass, yes. Cause a loss of prestige? Of course, but they're still a nuclear power and that's never going to change.
Even after the collapse of the Soviet Union, in the 90s they still had a seat at the table in the UN security council and had a say in their sphere of influence. They still had a sphere of influence.
🤓 Um actually none of Russias nukes work anymore because they are too Russian to maintain them
That number is the estimated combined Russian and Ukrainian wounded and casualties. Try to actually be informed instead of parroting tankie talking points comrade.
Set aside whose casualties are whose and look at the loss of life and disfigurements. Was it worth it? Neither side has made any significant military gains since the spring that justifies these casualty numbers
That argument works just as well for justification of American colonialism and the destruction of Indigenous Americans. Congratulations, that is one amazing take. I’m not even mad, That level of take is amazing. I’m impressed
I don't know how you take an argument that basically says "a stalemate that just feeds people into the grinder and does not achieve any military objective, means that this war needs to come to an end" and claim that means I'm justifying colonialism and indigenous genocide.
On multiple levels,
On a short-timeline view (which is exactly what we have now in this conflict) that “stalemate that just feeds people into the grinder that doesn’t achieve a military objective*” is exactly what we had at multiple points during the colonial period. Wars like Father Le Loutre's War also spilled over to non combatant citizens just like Russia’s Soldiers have targeted. For that matter, that’s been true of just about any period where one nation invaded another to claim them. The only real difference now is we have gotten exceptionally effective at killing people so the totals are far higher.
Crack a fucking history book. Justification of aggression and invasion against a sovereign nation is a new low.
*- keeping an invading force from progressing is an objective, just ask the North Vietnamese. But you probably think they should have surrendered too based on your logic.
Simply stunning
I can't believe everyone isn't recognizing the sacredness of these administrative borders from a country that no longer exists. Won't somebody think of the sovereignty? These borders were very convenient for the richest people in the west and they deserve every advantage in their efforts to rob the people of Russia.
lmao liberals coming up with nonsensical equivalences that make no historical sense whatsoever is a classic example of their intuition based ignorance
You do understand Crimeans aren't ethnic Ukrainians and the people of Donbass are Russian speakers, like you do understand that basic fuckin fact about the conflict right?
Do you even know how Donbass became part of the Ukraine, obviously you don't but maybe you should ask yourself these questions before you run naked in front of us swinging your miseduction and ignorance like a mace
The way you type is repellent. For your sake I hope you aren't as smug irl.
When you can't decide which smug redditism you want to use, so you go with all of them.
Sorry tankies, people dying in war is actually good
Ukraine sacrificing Crimea? What a cruel thing to make them do, give up land that they've had no control over for almost a decade.
Cool, so about ten years after illegal occupation and seizure you’re cool with the rationale of “no takesie backsies” and you still believe Putin will actually stop there.
Have I got a bridge to sell you.
lol illegal occupation and seizure of land whose residents were begging for Russia to help them?
inb4 but muh Ukrainian sovereignty!!!
You actually believe that protest was spontaneous by residents.
I’m sorry, I was lying before; the bridge isn’t really for sale. I morally can’t feel good about taking advantage of someone that gullible*.
you can't seriously swallow us state dept propaganda and scream at anti imperialists to just get in line, while also telling other people they're gullible with some middle school tier redditisms
never have i read a comment on the fediverse that so desperately deserved an atomic wedgie and getting stuffed in a locker
Yes.
A lot of people aren't thrilled with the idea of living under ethnic nationalists that intend to use them as scapegoats for the mess of modern Ukraine.
"Illegal occupation" dude shut the fuck up, the maiden coup goverment was illegal and there's a reason western media doesn't bring up the Crimean referendum
Crimeans spoke loud and clear, they are not Ukrainian, they don't want to be Ukrainian and they sure as shit don't want their region torn apart by a bunch of nazi banderites
The fact you think Crimea is even up for discussion shows just how ignorant and remote you are from this conflict, read anything besides CNN articles you fascist waterholder
What are your thoughts on South Korea, Taiwan, and (former) South Vietnam? Edit: also Israel
Are you surprised that years of genocide in the Donbas came with a cost?
I think you greatly overvestimate Ukraine libs of you think they'd care about this
Ukrainians I've talked to actually don't give too much of a shit about this. Their point of view is very simple: fight the invaders. Anybody who'll provide the means of doing so is useful, but they don't give that much of a fuck about the US pov.