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[–] BurgerBaron@quokk.au 39 points 1 day ago (5 children)

China has been indebting a lot of Africa building stuff all over the place longer than Trump has been around, doesn't get talked about very much. I only knew because I watch a few full time travel vloggers.

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Any evidence/source on that?

[–] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 9 points 18 hours ago

It's called the Belt and Road initiative iirc

[–] Damage@feddit.it 23 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Well, the west has been indebting them without infrastructure build up, so...

[–] BurgerBaron@quokk.au -3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] BurgerBaron@quokk.au 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Oh I thought you were gonna tankie like "therefore china good!"

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah China has been funding massive infrastructure expansion around the world for over a decade. All across Africa and Asia.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

i have trouble thinking of infrastructure improvements and expansion as a bad thing. Damn that's an effective strategy.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 5 points 9 hours ago

Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

Convince a man to let you build a fishing pier with exclusive fishing rights in his pond in exchange for giving him a fish every week, and you've got a customer for life.

In reality, China doesn't need to be so crass as to demand exclusive rights. The mere fact that these are Chinese panels with Chinese hardware means Cuba is going to be dependent on China for as long as they aren't willing to throw out a massive chunk of their infrastructure. As long as this move comes with some change to the material situation that makes Cuba pay China back and then some, China gets richer from it.

Capitalist corporations and nations have done the same for centuries. European colonial empires kept advanced manufacturing in Europe so the colonies couldn't become independent without a massive reduction in industrial capacity. Because of this many former colonies are still economically dependent on Europe and/or the US. China is simply coming in and offering them a better deal.

[–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

It’s modern colonialism to some extent, the USA does/did similar, you ingratiate the people to you so you can exploit the resources OR geography OR populace somehow.

It’s not always evil. It’s rarely ever altruistic.

One way this is done is “we’ll build the bridge to get to the other side of this thing if we’re granted mineral rights for the next LONG TIME” and upfront you get the bridge but the backside is you lost the resource. For the people who were never going to reap the reward of resource … but now they have a bridge … win/win?

This is a downside to these sorts of things. Again, not always evil though.

[–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also when you travel in central or south America you see more and more infrastructure by the Chinese. Still a lot less than Africa, but China is taking investments into ressource rich countries seriously.