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Why do people use Opera? It's a proprietary Chrome fork owned by a Chinese company.
Perhaps for old time's sake. It used to be using its own engine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presto_(browser_engine)
Yep. People have a bad habit of sticking to their habits beyond the point of usefulness. Myself included.
Chrome opera doesnt even resemble old opera. Vivadli is closer, and is led by the same guy that led old opera.
Unfortunately still closed source
There was a lot of BS advertising not long ago about it being a web browser "for gamers", whatever that means.
Gamers are easy to market to.
they still sponsors lots of youtubers and marketing now is on tab grouping (available on most browsers), theming (which is weaker than vivaldi, and maybe zen too) and ai (all browsers can open a web chat app). but they market to people who are using edge or chrome by default, and to them, it looks fancy.
??? It being Chinese has fuck all to do with Opera's issues.
And for anyone reading, just use Zen Browser, it is amazing.
China has a law that force a company to give to the government all his data including user data
US has NSLs. I expect China has the same. Better to avoid companies from such dangerously authoritarian regimes.
That doesn't mean much tho, because authoritarian is basically a buzzword. Every single state in existence is authoritarian by nature. I recommend the very short read "On Authority" by Engels. That being said, if you are worried about your data being used, specially for nefarious reasons, being concerned with the US having access to it is pretty valid since they are the country on earth that loves to invade and bomb anyone that dares breath wrong, but I can't see the same worry about other countries, specially China being very valid.
I bet you have some interesting opinions.
You're gonna come up with an actual argument or just demonize me because I'm a communist?
Begone, tankie.
Peak
piss off, lib
If you're not a liberal, are you illiberal?
There is a good chance that this guy is a bit counter-cultural and does not want to use the obvious version of anything.
Look at the Windows mail client he tried to go with.
I love Vivaldi, which is like a spiritual improvement on Opera. I switched a few years back, and once you get used to the UI and the key shortcuts it's just such a breeze using the internet. Magnificently customizable, very nice little extras. ALAS! Because Vivaldi is based on Opera which is based on Chromium and Google came out and started blocking or restricting addons (the implementation of Manifest v3 blocks a lot of API block requests that ad blockers rely on), I went back to Firefox. Because fuck that.
i enjoy being spyed on by china. and before the whataboutisim, i dont mind that the US or Canada spies on me.
You can also be spied on by me if you'd like to.
Just send your search queries to me.
For extra espionage, I'll even make sure to use non-privacy respecting search engines (like Google, Yandex, Baidu) and AI for your queries.
Sounds good.
I like when they watch.
ohhh my ;)