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Yeah, I can dig that. Frankly my outrage is more about the cutting of nutritional assistance to impoverished humans, but the funding of industrial beef farming is also pretty fucked up.
They're taking the money from people who need it and are using it to pay people in Argentina to torture and kill cows.
I enjoy beef for its flavor, culinary versatility in cuisine, and its natural complex amino acid density compared to other protein sources.
That said, the mass production of beef is a public health and environmental crisis. What I pay for "ethically" sourced beef is what it should be priced at per gram in every market, if I were calling the shots.
Impossible beef is to the point where it's almost indistinguishable from real meat, and has a complete amino acid profile. If you haven't tried it yet, I'd highly recommend picking some up! Their burger patties are especially good in an air fryer.
lysine, just eat more legumes.
Yes, because as we all know, if you're craving a nice steak a bowl of lentils will be totally satisfying.
It's more than just lysine. Too much of any one food is not good for anyone. There are definite carcinogenic effects of eating too much red meat, especially when prepared in certain ways.
However,
Do you consider animals (other than homo sapiens) "people" with "natural rights" to life?
If so, then there's no way for ethical animal husbandry for human consumption.
However, my opinion is that we homo sapiens are animals, along with other ancient hominids and current high primates, and we are omnivorous predators. Our prey's opinion on its right to life is inconsequential to whether we kill it to eat it or not.
Hypothetically similar to a brown bear hunting hikers along a trail through Yellowstone. The bear doesn't care if a hiker wants to live or not; it wants to eat the human.
Yeah... that was my point. Meat for humans in the contemporary era should cost more, there should be far less consumption per capita, and meat producers shouldn't be so cruel to the animals. However, some of us enjoy animal flesh. Some of us are in fact healthier when we consume it. We can consume animal flesh in a better way.
If you're healthier consuming meat than you would be consuming a plant-based diet, you're a statistical outlier. Most people would be healthier with a plant-based diet.
Most people would be healthier eating more plants because most people (in the US) eat too much meat and not enough plants as it is. That doesn't mean that meat is inherently unhealthy
Thank you, sincerely, for putting into simple words what I've been trying to explain to self-righteous militant vegans with little success.
Too much of one thing (in this case, meat) is bad for you. Measured and monitored diversity in one's diet is optimal.
Here's a great article explaining the risks and benefits of meat consumption.
My "cruelty" in consuming animal flesh is acceptable to me as I am an omnivore.
Let's give brown bears the right to vote if there's no difference in ethical agency or social responsibility between them and us, as you claim to believe. We can set up polling booths at the salmon streams.
And that's why I think it's fine I ate my neighbors's dog, Your Honor.
That isn't a reply; it's a desperate failure of reading comprehension packaged as a lazy joke.
What you typed is a Slippery Slope fallacy, arguing that acknowledging biological reality (that humans are omnivorous predators) somehow forces me into committing a criminal act: eating a neighbor's dog. You deliberately ignore the obvious distinction upon which the entire debate rests: the line between livestock and pets.
Me: Consume ethically raised livestock (the "prey" for omnivorous), but reject the immorality and environmental risks of factory farms.
You: if you eat any meat, you must logically be fine with pet theft and consumption.
The difference between a cow, pig, chicken, etc. and your neighbor's dog is precisely where human law, morality, and social norms have been drawn for centuries. Some cultures even find it normal to consume dogs. To pretend that acknowledging our predatory nature invalidates all those distinctions is not as clever as you think it is—it's just a transparent attempt to substitute emotional shock value for actual logical engagement.
You're also using Reductio ad Absurdum, just like other losers on this thread, because you can't defeat the core premise of what I said. You have to drag this into absurdity to make it seem like I'm advocating for social collapse, rather than just advocating for better ethical sourcing. If your only move is hypothetical "Your Honor" theatrics about a pet dog that's kidnapped and eaten, you've admitted you have no genuine counter-argument.
You suck at advocating for veganism.
Waiter, I didn't ask for the sophist word salad, can you take this back, please?
Sure sir, here's a steak. You need protein.
It better be one of those ethics steaks the bears eat
Ethics steaks. That the bears eat.
Cows aren't people
They paid more for it, so that makes it okay
Yes, it's better to eat meat from animals that aren't "factory-farmed", which is, as one would expect, more expensive.
My slaves are ethically sourced, I paid more for them. It's a shame people can't see how good I am.
Calling animals slaves doesnt bring people to your cause, they just roll their eyes at you and move on.
Don’t bother. It’s a cult.
The historical context of human chattel slavery, which involved systematic racism, dehumanization, and violence is unique in its human dimension.
I think that many people, particularly those from historically oppressed groups, would find your attempted comparison a deeply offensive false equivalency and reductive of human suffering.
Thankfully they have you to tell them when to be offended. Fuck off.
There's no way you could have known, but I am, by blood, part of one of those historically enslaved groups I mentioned.
So, please, with all that "love" in your heart, gargle my balls while you continue straw-manning, falsely equating, and morally posturing on the internet.