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Ah yes, obviously a woman in feudal times attire gasing at a peasant from her window is the best person to explain socialism.
And also, it is good and normal in a socialist society that rice and medecine are nothing but commodities to be bought and sold.
And what a great understanding of capitalism! So true, the order of the commodity-money-commodity is essential, and is actually a thing, it's not like a person selling a commodity implies another having the money to buy it; these C-M-C and M-C-M chains are totally not describing the same society from different points of view!
This "comic" isn't a chain of missing the point of Marxism and then also missing its own point. It is normal that it doesn't mention class struggle, plus value or even address the question of who owns the means of production. It assumes that in both societies the working class is represented by a peasant who owns his field and its product, which isn't the situation of most either under capitalism or under socialism. After having brilliantly explained nothing, it just slaps a benevolent state on top to garanty that "don't worry, the system that is identical to the bad one in every way is good". And then it basically says "the game is free because we're the good guys".
Such an efficient use of water and energy, I'm sure actual artists who put thought and efforts into the type of game you have in mind would be glad to have you as their defendor!
And in case that wasn't clear, I was being sarcastic.
They are both chains occurring in the same economy, but there is a difference.
In other words, C-M-C is performed by the working classes to fulfill their needs whereas M-C-M is performed by the bourgeois to accumulate capital. The second and third panels accurately describe Marx's analysis of C-M-C and M-C-M.
Please note that I'm only commenting on this. I know nothing about the game this post is related to and I'm not commenting on the use of AI.
Except here, M-C-M is described as occurring "Over the sea", it implies that they represent different systems. The only difference between these two systems is the state that "regulates capital". Implying capital is still a thing. Implying the M-C-M cycle also takes place. In the "good" system, and the first explanation of it was misleading and led nowhere. This is still a system where work is a commodity.
M-C-M and M-C-M' are different. The M' adds a profit into the system.
The C in M-C-M is actually hiding C = (I+L) which is adding the labor value to the input goods to create the commodity.
M' changes this formula by setting C = (I+L+P) where profit is introduced. This profit can only be extracted from living labor, since the input commodity already has reified labor value in it and can't be made to change.
So (I+L~real~) = (I+L~wages~+P)
Even though M-C-M implies equivalent labor value exchange, dealing with this relation by nature will create the ground for M-C-M' to arise since there are those in that value chain who don't experience C-M-C primarily, and they will want to extract value from M-C-M. Marx floated the idea of labor tokens, but even fake money can be abused during exchange to extract value from labor.
Yes, exactly this. C-M-C and M-C-M' (which is what the comic says) are not just the same thing from a different perspective. Also, not every economy where commodity production exists is the same. C-M-C and M-C-M obviously predate capitalism by a long time.
Yes, hence Marx saying about M-C-M "Its driving and motivating force, its determining purpose, is therefore exchange-value". How to avoid or mitigate this during the socialist transition is obviously one of the biggest debates of the communist movement.
And what the comic is saying is that the two governments structure their economies around catering for a different one of those two appraoches. You can have M-C-M' and C-M-C occur in the same economy, but the degree to which they each occur is vastly influenced by government and regulation.
Read theory (not sarcastic).
I did. Did you?