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The message is good but NATO is not a good thing just because Russia sucks stop lionizing it.
It makes everyone who joins it safer from invading barbarians like Russia, how is that not a good thing?
Well, you see, it doesn't let Russia invade Poland, which is next on his list. Or would be.
its literally an imperialist alliance. We saw what they did in iraq, libya, yugoslavia etc. killed thousands of innocent people
fuck it.
NATO wasn't in Iraq.
Ah yes, post-breakup Yugoslavia and Libya, famously places where everything was great there was no violence until the West showed up.
Iraq is a more legit example, since that was under false pretences, but like the other user noted most of NATO refused.
even if something were wrong who tf is NATO to intervene
Okay, but they definitely didn't come into a place that was fine and make a mess.
(And if something is wrong, and you can intervene, you should. It doesn't matter who you are; that's just morality)
Why do you think NATO was created? Would the Russians have stopped in Berlin if they were free to advance further? Of course not. Where other nations measure their success in GDP per capita or in providing social services and job security to their citizens, Russia has from its conception measured success in only one way: territorial expansion. The human cost of this expansion on either side is irrelevant. When Moscow was looking to expand their influence in every direction imaginable, the only course of action for Europe and the US was to band together to have a strong enough opposition to keep the Russians at bay. The past decade has shown that NATO is still relevant and needed by all member states.
NATO itself is imperialist tho
Oh, I'm looking forward to hearing the mental gymnastics behind this one
I don't think you understand what imperialist means.
NATO is a pact you optionally join.
NATO does exactly what it is designed to do.
Go compare the number of non-NATO neighbors Russia has invaded versus NATO members they have invaded.
NATO is an extremely good thing, it's a cooperative defence pact amongst members who don't wish to be invaded. It's been very successful.
There's a reason more countries are seeking to join it.
You got a better idea?