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previous analysisThe comments on this clip are indicative of the two lenses I think people view this show from:

Yeah. That much is true. They actually have gone to such extreme with Carol it’s almost like love-bombing. Which probably triggers her trauma from Camp Freedom Falls.

I think the Plurbs/Hive mean well. But they clearly don’t know when it’s gone too much and too far so quickly.

Followed by:

they know everything. It’s a systematic and gradual manipulation process to eventually get carol’s approval for her stem cell and turn her into them, just like they’re doing with that Casanova. They’re sole purpose is to join every single person on the planet and build an antenna the size of Africa to send out these RNA codes into space and then their mission will be over. It’s obvious the hive won’t sustain forever because if eventual calorie deficits and they’ll all die. It’s very apocalyptic and dystopic

The show makes a number of things clear this episode:

  • The hive does not share sensory data. Meaning, they do not feel what everyone feels all at once.
  • The hive is aware of the goings-on with every other individual in the hive, but in a passive way. Their connection is described as Subconscious.
  • Their biological imperative includes resending that signal. While we'll likely never know what is happening on the source planet, it's safe to say it can't be dissimilar to what is playing out on the show.
  • The hive is starved for novelty. It would appear that, without the interactions with the unjoined, they would simply proceed with the task at hand (resending the signal). They tell Carol, "We're excited to read something new!"
  • The last point seems to imply that they are not capable of producing novelty themselves. This is likely because of the shared, passive, collective experiences. Carol (and the other unjoined) are a black box to the hive, and thus can create novelty.
  • The game that Carol and the hive play is interesting, in that it is not a game of strategy, but a game of reflex. Strategy is something a hive would excel at, but reflex is something relative to the individual.
  • The episode establishes that they do not share any kind of "muscle memory" but still retain all the knowledge and understanding of elite players of physical sports.
  • Carol insists on treating Zosia as an individual, which the show then illustrates is a difficult task for the joined Zosia to perform.
  • When Carol asks Zosia what her favorite food is, she recalls a memory of Zosia as a child. As she tells the story, it's clear that Zosia (or the hive) is enjoying this memory, Zosia recalls it fondly, and thanks Carol for asking. The scene seems to imply that without Carol's question, there would be no reason to recall this memory. It's as if Zosia is recalling something that was almost forgotten, it creates in her, the individual, a feeling of nostalgia, something we haven't seen the hive do before. (I think)
  • This brings me back to the massage scene. Zosia says that the others can not feel how good the massage is, but admits that it feels very good. This is an experience that no one else has, emotionally. The hive understand the experience intellectually and can recall how it felt to the individual at the time, but only Zosia was able to experience the emotional feeling associated with the massage.

If I had to make a guess as to where this is leading, it is that people can be reconditioned into their individuality. That Carols dogged insistence on treating people as individuals could result in them rediscovering themselves in some way. The implication that there is a drought of novelty among the hive is obviously a dig at collectivism, but I think that dig falls short because of the rules and conditions set by the show. Under true collectivism, you are still a disconnected black box among many black boxes, only that you share the same collective value set that they do. Novelty would still exist, since novelty is born out of new experiences. There is also a novelty associated with providing those new experiences. When you introduce someone to something you've seen before, you're doing it to give them that same feeling you had the first time you experienced that thing as well. That act of giving is, itself, novel, and creates a kind of cycle of novelty. The hive in the show can not have new experiences. Not because it has experienced everything, but because once someone experiences something, it is instantly dispersed across the hive and intellectualized, and no other individual will ever experience the associated emotions again. Even though they share everything, the one thing they can't share together, is the act of experiencing emotions together, or sharing emotional moments together.

This, I think, is why the hive loves the individuals so much. Sure, their biological imperative also drives them to assimilate the individuals, but if they are successful in doing so, novelty will be gone forever. They will become alone, and isolated. In that way, the show is also about connection. The hive is literally connected, but they lack the ability to make real connections because, as a collective, they are in unity. They experience the world from many perspectives, but they are a collective individual. They express socially as an individual creature. Because of that unity, the individual people who suffer and die every day are simply the flaking off of skin cells to this organism. It is like plucking a hair. One gone, another grows back. It's interesting that they mention that people die, but that people are also born in this episode. They do not spend any time on it, however. They do not make a point to even react to the idea that new babies are being born every day. Obviously that's the case, but neither of the characters dwell on that fact for even a second.

The idea that children are being born into this situation creates a lot of questions. Is the baby joined at birth? Is there a period of development where the baby is not joined? It also implies that there isn't simply a lost of novelty, but also a loss of innocence as well. The show establishes this in an earlier episode where Carol asks a joined child what kind of gynecologicals tool he would prefer, and other technical questions about gynecology. This child isn't innocent anymore, they are filled with every experience every living person ever experienced. Innocence and novelty are a linked pair, your Innocence is born out of a lack of experience, and as you have more experiences you are hit with feelings of novelty. As a child, you are flooded with novelty all the time, and it defines your whole existence. There is even a concept of time dilation related to novelty. That the feeling you have when you are young, where the days feel like they last forever, where the months feel like years, where every moment you're awake feels like it drags on forever. This is because your brain is constantly taking new and novel things. As you age, that feeling of long days and even longer months fades, and weeks and days blend together as the number of novel experiences you have every day dries up like a puddle in a desert.

To me, the notion of losing novelty is compelling. I think people might even be seeing attacks on collectivism that might not actually be there. In fact, the show goes out of its way to make positive light of the collective behavior. In the episode, Carol asks where they sleep, and discovers they all sleep together in all the large empty spaces. They describe it as efficient, but Carol seems to view it differently, that it's kind of "nice". When she asks the hive where Zosia lives, it replies, "We do not have a home. All ideas about private property are gone. In a way, wherever we hang our hat is our home", which is a kind of romantic way of describing what the total abolition of private property might be like. When Carol is seeing how they sleep, there is a detail in the background that stood out to me, which is that there was an elderly person among them. One of the people from the collective throughout the scene made sure that person was able to get to their sleeping spot. It took them much longer than anyone else. From each according to their ability, to each according to their need. That principle appears to play out in the show. From large scale endeavors like running a hospital, to the small gestures, like aiding an elderly person to their bed so they can sleep. Every person on earth with any kind of physical need like that is cared for in the same way, and the nearest able bodies person helps them without question.

So it's interesting to me that there are people who watch this show and see it as "apocalyptic and dystopic" because it's very clear that it's also very utopian and optimistic.

So, I'm going to follow up the above after seeing this last episode. I'll say this, I'm not super stoked with whatever direction this seems to be going in. Carol is still the most unlikable character in this show, and this is a show with basically 3 characters at this point. So, we now seem to understand that the hive has been effectively stalling while Carol takes yet another self-indulgent episode. Except, this time, she does so with the hive, and seems to have convinced herself that she can out manipulate the hive. Clearly, Carol is a deeply unwell person, whose vices extend all the way to using others for her own gratification.

It's interesting to me reading the discourse about this show, as noted above. I don't believe this show has much of an "ideology" and many of us may simply be seeing our own shadows here. I'm not convinced that the Breaking Bad guy has it in him to intentionally write anti-communist slop, and I'm not convinced he has it in him to write pro-communist slop either. I think what we're seeing here is liberalism manifest. Taking the basic anti-communist worldview, baked into the brains of all western liberals, and attempting to design a world around what "the abolition of private property, from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs" with a sci-fi candy coating. So for me, that stuff people are picking out isn't interesting, because it's just a manifestation of some liberal's basic, cursory understanding of ideology. The passive expression of the liberal hegemonic world view.

The opening portion of this episode is probably the most interesting part of the episode for me. It aligns with what I've said previously. Once there is no one left to interact with, there is only silence. In fact, there isn't even culture anymore. These indigenous people abandon their native lands the second the last of them is assimilated. To me, this could read as deliberate, and I think it could be. However, it's just as likely that it's accidental, the playing out of previously established information to show the viewers how close the hive is to assimilating the others. Could this be some kind of subtle commentary about what collectivism does to culture? Are the writers telling us that under communism, all unique cultural touchstones would be vaporized? That would make this show even more of a cartoonishly anti-communist show then we could have previously realized!

I'm just not sure if that's the case. There were far more interesting things happening in the previous episode, and this episode feels like it was supposed to be even MORE interesting, and it simply wasn't. This thread being established about disrupting the connection between the hive is simply not as interesting as discovering the limitations and borders of what the hive is capable of, and what makes it tick. The end of the episode feels like a "We're finally getting the team together" moment, a classic trope. To me, the show is more interesting as a new order that needs to be accepted, that comes with problems that need to be solved. It's more interesting to explore WHY the hive can't even pick fruit, and eventually attempting to solve that problem. The idea that this is the cliffhanger we're left on does not give me a lot of confidence that this show can keep it up for 3 more seasons.

All I can really hope for is that these efforts backfire in a fascinating way that feels fully earned. Right now, nothing really feels earned at all. I'm not really rooting for anyone in this show at this point, except for the hive. If the hive can get its shit together, get off this "communism when no pick apples" plot device, do more exploration about the true loss at hand, the loss of novelty, of innocence, of shared experiences, shared emotion, of creativity and spontaneity, of personal history, culture and ultimately identity, then I might be more interested in this show.

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[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Could this be some kind of subtle commentary about what collectivism does to culture? Are the writers telling us that under communism, all unique cultural touchstones would be vaporized? That would make this show even more of a cartoonishly anti-communist show then we could have previously realized!

there's something that's been missing from the show where we don't see what the plurb are up to on the daily when they're not interacting with individuals. Yeah some are making soylent green, and some are working on Carol's stem cells, but there's entire countries of people doing some other shit and we're never shown any of that. Without knowing what they left the village to do, there's minimal ground to read tea leaves about what it's supposed to mean that they left.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure, but the choices made here matter. It could have been a white suburb, but instead it was indigenous peoples. They sang their cultures songs right up until she was joined and then it ended. Why would these people be shown to us, why did they make these characters indigenous? Everything you see was a choice made by the director, writers, and show runners. Sometimes things are just things. I'm not sure this is the case here.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

until the national origin of anyone besides Carol matters for any reason i'm just taking the other individuals as liberal diversity checklisting.

i can't wait for ten years from now when season 3 comes out and we find out what the show is trying to say about the human condition