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[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 92 points 2 days ago (17 children)

I think I know what OOP means here. Films that people only like because they're "good movies."

I think the Avatar films fall into this category, as do most of the "Oscar bait" movies.

[–] Vespair@lemmy.zip 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Avatar is a glorified tech demo and nobody ever really claim otherwise. I agree Oscarbait might fit this, but I do not understand how Avatar could

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 13 hours ago

Different kinds of quality. Cgi quality, acting quality

[–] Hond@piefed.social 85 points 2 days ago (5 children)
[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 74 points 2 days ago (6 children)

You know how some restaraunts have a reputation for serving "good food" (I.e. gourmet food), but just because it's fancier food it doesn't necessarily mean you'll actually like it more?

So, what are some foods that people only like because they're fancy? (I'd argue caviar is one)

Same idea, but for movies. What are some movies that people only like because they're seen as being "good movies"?

[–] Jojowski@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 days ago

A million flies can't be wrong.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I feel like this is most of shakespears work. Having read a lot of it, i was deeply unimpressed. I found it grueling to work through any of his pieces. And yet theyre universally beloved. Pretty sure its just because everyones teacher told them the book was good.

Its weird though, to kill a mockingbird was actually good, and yet it doesnt recieve nearly as much fanfare as something like hamlet or romeo & juliet. Feels like people just like shakespear because everyone else likes shakespear.

[–] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Shakespeare's collective works span virtually every genre and introduce virtually every character archetype that is still used in modern literature and media. His works are brimming with word play, which often has triple or quadruple meaning; often dramatic, philosophical, and comedic at the same time. He was so prolific and such a good writer that there are conspiracy theories that he was actually several different playwrights sharing the same pen name.

Granted it's not as easy to appreciate his works today because of how the English language has drifted over the last 500 years, but what other work of literature from 500 years ago can you even point to as being popular today in its original form?

If you want to give Shakespeare a fair shake from the literary appreciation point of view, try reading an annotated copy of his works that provide context and translate the less familiar turns of phrase. It probably won't make you enjoy reading his works, but it should at least help you understand why he's so revered.

In terms of actually enjoying Shakespeare, well... He was a playwright, not a novelist! His works are meant to be seen on a stage. There are some really good performers out there whose emotivity can help bridge the language gap. Some troupes also tweak the dialog to make it more accessible to a modem audience, but I don't generally like that because they tend to lose the puns or at least diminish the layers or the poetry.

[–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

So Rammstein but instead of German it's old English.

[–] nagaram@startrek.website 19 points 2 days ago

The 2009 BBC Hamlet with David Tenant and Patrick Stewart is, without a doubt, the best possible version of hamlet on stage, on film, in its entirety.

I worked through and annotated hamlet and then watched that version. Just me, a dark room, popcorn, and a cozy spot.

It has made me obsess over Hamlet. Such a wonderful story!

Its weird though, to kill a mockingbird was actually good, and yet it doesnt recieve nearly as much fanfare as something like hamlet or romeo & juliet

You and I have different friends. One halloween we had a ham costume competition

[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 12 points 2 days ago

Shakespeare's influence on pretty much all English writing, fiction, theatre, film, narrative form of any sort is so utterly massive it's almost impossible to fathom. His use of plot has informed how plots are constructed ever since. His use of language is still a massive influence on the way we speak today, and phrases he invented are so rooted in our cultural language we forget they were his. Going on a "wild-goose" chase. Having a "heart of gold". To "vanish into thin air". Even: "Knock knock, Who's there?" was his.

His works might be hard work for today's student since the language isn't the language of today. But pick pretty much any genre defining film from 50 years ago and it will seem a bit slow, and flat, and stilted compared to today's films. "It's been done better since!" His works are from 500 years ago!

[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

Imo shakespeare is like seinfeld.

So incredibly influential and popular that reading/watching is boring because everything that has been said by them has been said by everyone else, but better years/decades/centuries later.

I agree that shakespeare is a slog, simply because ive seen probably 50 "hamlet" television episodes that are better

Another great example: West-side Story is just a much better version of romeo and juliet which is slow for no reason in comparison.

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[–] Golden@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So like, the entire Marvel universe? 

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago

I sort of get what you're saying, but that's less because the movie is fancy. More that it has a high budget.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

The first iron man was ok.

But otherwise yes.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago (11 children)
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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

OG Avatar was basically “last of the space Mohicans”.

Also: Jesus tapdancing christ 🤦‍♂️

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The amount of money spent making Avatar movies could probably have paid for universal K-College education for every American for decades with enough money left over to bribe the politicians into voting for something regular people want for a change!

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And they could have still made the movies with the other billion

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You know how like some stuff is goodbad but people like it because it's not awful? Like, when it's not made with minimal effort and it seems like someone actually tried write believable dialog.

What are goodbad movies like that movies like that but good.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Avatar is not a good film and this I refuse to watch it. In this six part series I will lay out my reasoning, beginning with the moon...

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 6 points 1 day ago

I hate these kinds of "opinions".

It isn't their opinion, they copied the opinion from someone else. To have an opinion on your own you have to have actually experienced the media. Otherwise you are just judging a book by its one review.

[–] GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 2 days ago

"Good movies"

"Oscar bait"

I think the Avatar films fall into this category

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 11 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I think the Avatar films fall into this category

Nah, those movies are ass. They just have amazing special effects.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago

... and somehow they still get butts in seats and lots of people enjoy them.

People want to see the cutting-edge cgi. In that sense it absolutely is qualityslop.

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[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nah, this is things like most Tarantino films, particularly Pulp Fiction, where it's a good movie, but every 17 year old you meet who loves it only loves it because everyone else loves it.

It’s the Kill Bill movies where he finally included enough of Uma’s feet.

[–] Ach@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Huge box office numbers =/= people calling a film good. People have absolutely been turning out in record numbers for the films, but have all been shit talking them endlessly for fifteen years.

I'm not arguing its sensible. Look at Call of Duty and the rhetoric around how bad they've become, but the same people whining always buy them.

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