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The fact that they think making andrew a simple peasent like the rest of us, is an appropriate punishment for raping children, either tells us a lot about how they see us regular people, or a lot about how much they care about children being raped.
I'm not from the UK or living there. So grain of salt and all... But I read this not so much as a punishment, but closing a loophole so he can never ever be in a position of royal power or benefits. And it would hold even if he wins in court.
If we in the US had closed some loopholes 2021-24, we would be at least 50% less fucked.
And maybe 90% less if we'd done it after Nixon.
It's not enough. But it's not nothing.
In the UK and I largely agree.
We've seen powerful people can get away with things so there will need to be a bulletproof case against him for anything to hold. Building in mitigations for that is a good thing, even if I think it should be targeting the wider systemic issues not just one loser.
If an angry mob had closed a loophole around Richard Nixon's neck after he received his pardon, we probably wouldn't be in the mess we're in today.
Thank you for bringing reason to that moronic comment above yours. “This is the whole punishment! WAH!” I’m so sick of reflexive cynicism in ignorance of the facts. It’s like people have forgotten how to put anything in context and want the shortest path to despair no matter what the news is.
Everything I've read about this says that the misconduct in question was sharing state secrets with Epstein.
The child raping doesn't appear to be concerning them.
I read an article that said that he hasn’t actually broken any UK laws to do with rape that we know of.
From memory the main points were:
Obviously, what he did was wrong but that doesn’t mean that he can be prosecuted for it.
I’m hoping that there’s stuff that we don’t know about that they’re preparing to prosecute him for.
I'm assuming that the reason he shared state secrets with Epstein is because Epstein had something on him.
Al Capone didn't go to prison for murder, he went to prison for tax evasion. Do you think it was because Elliot Ness just didn't care about murder?
Well, it certainly wasn't because he couldn't implicate the billionaires.
Nevertheless, whistleblowers spend their whole life being hunted down by goverments for exposing state secrets that reveal crimes.
Perhaps that's the state secret he's being punished for revealing: all the child rape among the rich and powerful.
Yeah that must really have been a big surprise for Epstein
https://youtu.be/HMIyDf3gBoY
I would like to have that much faith in humanity but given that it has only happened now despite this going on for more than a decade, I doubt it. If you witness such a thing and don't reveal it, it is either that you are the victim and afraid, or they have dirt on you, or you are an average individual who realizes that this would be a battle against a network of some of the most powerful individuals in the world and you don't have an epsilon chance. I think he only fits in the second group.
Different parts of the government. Charles has all but kicked him out of the royals themselves. This would just be finishing the job.
Neither group has any real say in prosecution etc. This is just an additional ceremonial "Fuck you for making us look bad!"
"They expect one of us in the wreckage, brother"
You know that the government doesn't conduct criminal investigations?
God damn. Comment hit hard. No notes. I just wish the people in the US realized that even the monarchs of Britain are being "punished" more than the equivalent rulers of our similar class structures that exist in modern day with just different names. Our "Epstein class" (capitalist class) have less punishment than modern day monarchs.
The punishment of the monarchs is to become a rich capitalist with no titles. The punishment of the capitalist is nothing.