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God's plan, not likely, but a Chinese plan definitely.
At this point, dealing as much damage to the US in any possible way is a hope of many people after all the shit that happened recently.
The USA cannot be allowed to fall, not to Trump or any other despot, because even in its current state: China and Russia are worse and will leap, claws out, at any opportunity created by the fall of the USA.
Just like Iran, the best outcome is that it must simply change.
We're fucked either way.
Funny that you think the collapse of the US can be stopped.
Russia's lasted 20 years under a despot, China over 70 years.
Russia's lasted under nothing but despots for >500 years.
Big fan of this joke.
All Russian history can be compressed into five words.
"...and then, it got worse."
Yes but I was only counting their current system, though Putin certainly does appear like a continuation of the USSR except more christian and less friendly to women.
He personally actually wants the old Russian Empire back.
The problem with that statement is it implies he would just stop the moment he obtained all those territories. People make the same claims about China's expansions. It's not true, they will wage war to the very end of the earth if not stopped.
For one moment I thought you were speaking about another country
People like Trump and Le Penn are just as dangerous. That's why autocracy must always be stopped.
I don't see how it implies that, as that empire or any others never stopped and said, "yep, that's good enough".
The US and Israel MUST be allowed to bomb every school and hospital they want FOR THE GREATER GOOD
Or perhaps the fascist imperial ambitions of the US and Israel are bad, actually
Edit: to the people downvoting, the US and Israel have already bombed multiple hospitals and schools in Iran. They are using the exact same type of Dahiya doctrine, also known as the deliberate mass targeting and destruction of civilian architecture, as they did in Gaza.
If the precision airstrike bombs that hit the elementary school turned out to be Iranian it wouldn't surprise me at all. Trump is only in power now because of Russian and Chinese election interference in the USA.
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault. <- you are here
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
ditto
No, I do think it's the USA's fault
So your solution is what? Have another hostile (and worse) world power conquer them? Eradicate them, maybe? What?
Solution for what?
The USA.
at this point, the USA is just as bad as any of the rest so I don't buy your position even if it were inevitable which it is not.
The USA will implode, if not through war, at least economically and then, most likely, the EU would be the next in line
So your plan is to complain for the next 20 years, then bend over and wait for China to fuck you?
Again, I do not believe your assessment is correct so no, I do not expect to bend over for China...
Rich for you to attempt to make this case when currently, literally, the USA is asking the rest of the world to bend over and take it
American exceptionalism is one hell of a drug
If you fell for that bs here, I bet you fell for that same bs when they did the same in Gaza.
Trump won because Biden/Harris ran such a profoundly bad campaign that they lost votes to the couch. So bad that they're either staggeringly incompetent or deliberately fumbled.
Hey don't give them all the credit, Russia probably had a bigger hand in it...
Also Bezos, Zuckerberg, Musk etc...
Given that in the 80s and 90s it was well known that Trump had ties to the Russian mafia, it may not be a Chinese plan, or at least not a 100% Chinese plan. It might be a coalition of China and Russia working to destroy America and American politicians being bribed into going along with it.
No one factor was the singular deciding one, no, but in the context of a brainwashed Chinese dad its the most topical one.
The entirety of TikTok is a psyop and it led to the biggest shift right amongst youth ever recorded.
Millennials are sandwiched between boomers and new boomers. It would be nice if there was a generation between the boomers and millennials but unfortunately it goes boomers, there is a gap for some reason, then millennials.
I like that joke, that's funny, because Gen X was supposed to be a placeholder for a generation we didn't yet understand but it just sort of stuck.
More likely independent Chinese and Russian plans harmonizing because they want the same thing, which is destabilization and collapse in the west
If the Chinese are behind this, which I think is reasonably likely, they've played it beautifully. Their hands look pretty clean while they manipulate Putin to run all their campaigns through Russia.
And the only real evidence we have is that nearly everything that happens benefits China.
All China had to do to implement their evil scheme was stay out of all this crap and make money. Those bastards.
That's a list of benefits that benefits every other country that isn't the USA. Other than arguably the weakening of NATO, but other than that I would say that's not really the "evidence" you think it is.
I think it's way more likely Trump is just a really shitty president with a highly incompetent cabinet and various other appointees. I mean he's also in bed with Russia but that's just on top of him being really bad at the job.
There is a lot of evidence of Chinese exerting their influence in the USA. They directly and openly supported Trump via TikTok, they frequently run social media psyops and botnets (with zero subtlety, too), and they frequently are the source of cyberattacks on US industries and outlets.
There is also a lot of evidence of their involvement directly with Iran and indirectly with Gaza, Jordan, Egypt, and Israel.
It's not clever or beautiful, it's a bunch of dumb assholes having a proxy war and fucking things up for everyone.
And this is different from the USA peddling and forcing their stuff down everybody's throat because?
I should also point out that none of that "influence" would have been effective if the USA had a working government that did do everything possible to keep its own people poor, sick and uneducated
Oh I see... of course, these are countries where the USA has never had any influence in... Now that I think of it, the USA rarely influences any foreign country
You mean the USA right?
Yes clearly microsoft selling you a software license is equivalent to you compromising millions of routers and using them as a botnet for taking various services down.
You've opened my eyes. The USA is a great Satan. /s
LOL like the USA has not been directly responsible for the destruction of democratically elected governments all over the world and the instigator or catalyst of every war the world have seen since WWII
isn't your tongue dry from all the boot licking?
Which boot are you insinuating I am licking? You're the one defending a Dictator's open hostility when we were in times of peace. You're the one trying to legitimize the Trump admin.
Perhaps you might be projecting? A lot?
The USA's so in today's world it would be the Orange Pedophile's boot
I have not, that is all part of your weak strawman
Ok, you are either confusing the many people you are trying to troll or you have having a stroke
Me saying China is worse is not the same as saying USA is good. Thats the problem with you fucking Tankies, you know your side is shit but you've somehow justified unquestioning faith in a side.
"mY sIdE, yOur SidE"… are you 12 years old?
you mean like when you say the USA must win no matter the cost? yes, that was particularly stupid of you
Thats literally what I said to you
yes, and then go around complaining that "us tankies" (not sure who you are even talking about) "somehow justified unquestioning faith in a side"
You can't even keep what you think is good or bad straight in this conversation
It almost feels like you've forgotten the conversation so far, that I would need to reiterate "USA has to change not collapse because its collapse would create an even worse situation with Russia and China". That's why you come off as a fuckin Tankie, because you want what China wants.
Reviewing your comment history, you've been critical of China in the past, so I guess you're the shortsighted anarchist.
It's clear your reading comprehension is low... I have never said I want anything to do with China and I have repeatedly said I do not buy your premise that should the USA diminish, the world would find itself under China's or Russia's thumb
I have not bought into your low level strawman (that means I do not believe your premise!)... and all attempts from you to keep putting my position as a China loving person are laughable (I guess to anyone but you since it seems to escape you over and over)
If TikTok has shown us anything it's that you don't need to be paid to serve the interests of China.
Again, you thinking I have ever had a tik tok account shows me you are probably 12 years old (or think like one).
Good chat, back to your marbles kid