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Normies can be reached and memes help. I've already gotten some "maybe we were too auick to judge China" reactions when I point out they execute child molesters.
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Sure, "wars started by U.S. vs China" would be more effective here. But don't overestimate how much the average person knows about China or an foreign country if they are from burgerland. You will probably get more Winnie The Pooh Memes back than anything like the person I was replying to. Play to win, not to be 100% correct.
For sure. That's why I'd prefer not to make an obvious blunder out the gate. The point of these kinds of memes (as agitation) is to create an opening to talk about these things. Whatever you say will have more of an impact if the first response isn't some nitpicking asshole with an actual valid argument.
The nitpicking asshole will be present no matter what, but if they look reasonable, then your job will be that much harder.
edit: to expand on my point and to build off what @UmbraVivi@hexbear.net wrote: Propaganda for the masses through memes function in two ways in my mind - They create public discussions, where you're not arguing with any specific person, but rather proselytising to the reading audience. In that case you will get further if the other person does not appear as reasonable, which they will if they point out the meme is blatantly false (even if the actual argument the meme presents is completely valid.)
The other case is sort of like advertising, where the meme itself isn't super important, it's just there to build up a sort of brand identity of thoughts. In that case it's also not a good idea to present something that can be easily dismissed the first time the hypothetical thinker tries talking politics with someone who has read a little bit about stuff (China sucking ass with the sino-soviet split isn't the biggest of secrets, there's a good deal of chuds that know of it too. All ideologies have low-effort dunks).
If that's the case they'll either realise they're mistaken or they'll get mad, neither of which fosters anything productive.
This is not to say you have to "high-road" it or be completely correct or write a massive dissertation - None of that is necessary (or for the latter conductive) for good agitprop. I'm just saying making an obviously incorrect statement an integral part of your propaganda isn't a good idea.
No, what you do is post something wrong which prompts people to correct you. But the actual answer is what you want to get across. Thus, 'face the wall' memes which I plan to post in threads encouraging Axis of Epstein to be adopted as a common phrase. Thus people will think, hmm...maybe we judged that Stalin fellow too harshly...
Only works when the general culture is one that supports your position. If you post something incorrect about China in most cases you're just furthering imperial propaganda. On hexbear you're just opening yourself up for dunks or pedantry, depending on what you post.
The whole thread is about appealing to normies
Yes so posting something wrong about China would not work.
It's easy for a native speaker to stir up a fuss here and throw in crude insults. You don't know me. The fact that you resorted to personal insults says more about your poor character than it does about me. The meme portrays China as the flawless, virtuous counterpart to the U.S., and I was right to criticize it by giving a few examples. I haven't defended the U.S. at all; they're terrible warmongers. Downplaying China’s transgressions strongly smacks of Chinese propaganda. No, I won't follow your crude links. We have a free press in Germany that reports on issues such as the reeducation and purging of the Uyghurs. I don't need your pseudo-lessons.
No investigation, no right to speak.
I know enough from this one sentence to know that you're a piece of shit Zionazi who doesn't actually give a fuck about Muslims other than to score points against your state's designated adversaries.
Thankfully this is hexbear where I am not bound by silly civility fetishism and have the free speech to tell you to follow your leader:
Anyway, please tell the class about how the KKKraut free press responded to the crackdown on Jüdische Stimme, the
speech by Marco Rubio in Munich over a month ago and Merz' comments on Iran and humanitarian law
Marg bar Alman
Anyway, when are the KKKrauts going to pay reparations for the genocide in Namibia?
By "free press" you mean "dominated by capital," and since capital dominates the German state, this also means it conforms largely with the views of capital from a legal basis as well. That's why German press is so Zionist and tries to whitewash the Palestinian genocide, while going gung-ho into whatever mythologizing is useful to capital when speaking of enemies of the German state. The press and state both serve the dominant class in society, they cannot exist outside of that context. Outlets that run counter to capital are shunned, sanctioned, blacklisted, or minimized and undermined by the system itself, regardless of how truthful they are.
@xijinpingist@hexbear.net this is a meme you can use if you want
Unless you bring up Palestine.
Im not a native speaker. It's also a weak attempt at deflection to suddenly focus on language, when that hasn't been the source of critique for you. You're bad at rhetorics.
I dont know you, and yet I was right on every account. You haven't engaged with the material provided, you still cling to long debunked propaganda. China is not and has never been purging Uyghurs.
And they say Germans have no humor. Anyway go get arrested for opposing Israel.
If you actually read the "report" about Uyghurs in china, you'd realise how laughable it is. 7 anonymous sources interviewed are used to extrapolate data for millions of people - data that is disproven by the very sama dataset it uses. The report is supported by the purposely mistranslated "police files". You'd know this if you actually investigated the things you claim to know of, or if you actually had a free press that did what journalists claim to do. But you don't. You have a propaganda apparatus, and you trust it blindly.
Another poor attempt at deflection. Focus on what.
If you look through the threat or even actually just read my comments, you'll see noone is downplaying Chinas transgressions. You're just not mentioning any, so we are correcting your misinformation. Spreading misinformation is what propaganda is. You'd do well to actually engage critically with what you're presented by your capitalist media, instead of assuming they somehow don't have an agenda or a bias.
Called it. Scared to learn, content to continue to engage in a discussion that can go nowhere because your hubris handicaps you.
At least learn about Cho Gonda
edit: came up with an alternative dunk, here you go
Downplaying the persecution of the german minority in the Sudetenland strongly smacks of bolshevik propaganda
My free press has just taught me how you guys chop off the head of a Muslim every day and force the rest to eat pork mixed with ground up Palestinians, yet you dare to speak on how others treat their citizens???
Das mit der freien Presse ist spätestens seit der causa Hüsseyin Dogru einfach nur ein kompletter Witz. Aber ja, technisch gesehen sind du, ich und Friede Springer absolut gleichberechtigt bezüglich dessen, was wir in unseren Tageszeitungen veröffentlichen.
Don't you guys have some pretty draconic laws about being anti-israel?
I don't know too much about it tbh, but as far as I know the laws are about racism and antisemitism in general. It is then up to the police to interpret what is antisemitic and what isn't in order to prosecute. And then also up to the judges discretion if it goes to trial. So for example there is no law that explicitly forbids "From the river to the sea" (as far as I(!) know) but if it could get "reasonably" interpreted as antisemitic you're fair game.
So you're at a rally and starting a chant or have a particular slogan as part of your speech, the whole rally could get disbanded and then they figure out the "exact legalities" later. The police are allowed to do mistakes in the name of combating antisemitism, you're not.
Again this is from kind of hearing and reading about it, not too knowledgeable about it.
https://theleftberlin.com/how-germany-tries-to-ban-the-slogan-from-the-river-to-the-sea/
https://www.nd-aktuell.de/artikel/1184315.from-the-river-to-the-sea-berliner-gericht-verhaengt-geldstrafe-fuer-umstrittenen-losung.html
I mean he is kinda talking about that. The guy he mentions is a journalist that was sanctioned (no judge needed) for "wrong speak".
I wasn't trying to dunk, he seemed knowledgeable, so I figured I'd ask in the hopes of learning more
Well yeah, germany was never really big on free speech, so people just don't care. The majority supports our "reason of state", due to decades of streamlined propaganda. Israel critique was fought against way before Oct. 7, that's just when it became obvious. The sanctions are new because they are an extra judicial way of destroying any person without a way for them to defend themselves.
Same in Denmark. Soyvikings post about elections here was a fantastic summation of the danish civic mind. We've jailed people for liking facebook posts about Israel getting bombed
Why do you write like the most insufferable person imaginable?
I think you're both right, it depends a lot on who you're talking to. If you're in a public debate against someone who might've done their homework, they could make you look like an idiot with this. But if you're posting sth like this on facebook or whatever, the masses are just gonna see this and not question it very much.