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Scientists develop mega-thin solar cells that could be shockingly easy to produce: ‘As rapid as printing a newspaper’::These cells could be laminated onto various kinds of surfaces, such as the sails of a boat to provide power while at sea.

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[-] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

This has its own applications but I can't say I've ever heard anyone complain about thickness of solar panels. Efficiency, power generated, etc. Sure.

[-] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago

I don't think it's so much about thickness, but being super thin presumably means it requires less of a manufacturing process and also less raw materials. Could bring costs down on panels and make them more financially viable for projects.

[-] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 9 months ago

On top of that, could make them viable for other surfaces that might not have been a good fit for them with current tech

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Indeed, 44 lbs for an 8kw installation is very light.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 28 points 9 months ago

Although the cells can only generate half the energy per unit area compared to traditional silicon panels, they can generate 18 times more power per kilogram, Fast Company reported.

For most users, I'd guess that unit area is more important. But for satellites, I suppose that as long as they can unfold, space isn't really an issue. You've got all of outer space to spread out into. But weight determines a lot of the cost of putting the thing up in space, so you'd like that to be low.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If they're cheap enough, you can just slap them on any available surface that gets a marginal amount of sunlight. Doubly so if they're flexible.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

If you can print them on textiles they can literally be everywhere.

[-] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Weight does play a huge role for satellites and to be honest I have very little knowledge of solar panels they use. However since solar sail is a thing, I'd argue surface is indeed a factor with satellites. But perhaps they managed to get some use there. There might be even other use cases I just didn't think about. My original comment was mostly pointing out that thickness was rarely as big of an issue as it was efficiency.

[-] tty5@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

For anything other than house roof solar price per kw is going to be the deciding factor. Rural land is very cheap compared to solar panels - we're talking about a 100:1 cost ratio.

[-] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

Also I can't imagine you'd want to add too much extra weight to a skyscraper

[-] mortalic@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Use cases increase if they are thin. Instead of limited to rooftops. For example, take a look at what Aptera is doing.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Burning investor money on a DOA meme product just like Lightyear One did?

[-] JungleJim@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Clearly you've never ~~owned an air fryer~~ wanted a solar powered car. Or imagine shipping containers covered in these powering the trucks that haul them! Or trains! Even boats. Basically any kind of self powered transit, especially ones with greater surface area.

Second edit: Another idea! Clingfilm solar panels for windows, or blinds and curtains that can power the lights!

Or wind turbines skinned in thin, light, flexible solar panels. You'd double dip on energy per square meter. You could have a solar farm on a stick that also makes wind energy.

[-] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

If you dream of covering a vehicle with panels and have it driven by that power, I have to burst your bubble. That's not even nearly enough surface to generate enough power. Perhaps assist in trickle charging battery, sure. But we already have flexible panels, even self-adhesive ones. And again, their biggest downside is not their thickness but efficiency. There will never be a self-propelled vehicle. Just a nature of things.

As for window blinds, etc. There is already glass that lets enough light through and can generate electricity. Those are even worse when it comes to efficiency due to non-ideal angle, light passing through, etc.

[-] JungleJim@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago

"We already have technology that doesn't do those things well enough, so this new technology that won't see advancement ever has no chance of addressing these issues either."

Trickle charge is awesome. Trickle charge the semi during your 8 hour driving shift and then another 8 hours while the trucker is asleep. If that nets half a charge every other day, that's a charge and a half a week. It's not self powered like a perpetual motion device, those aren't real. But regenerative braking is a worthwhile addition to an electric truck. Why wouldn't solar paper or whatever we want to call it also be part of the solution?

[-] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

More like, it would take 8 days of constant sun to have an hour of driving.

[-] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

Currently. Technology gets better

[-] lnsfwuser@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 9 months ago

No, there is literally only so much energy radiated by the sun in a certain area. The number of square feet of roof on a car is just too small to propel it, even with magic theoretical 100% efficient panels.

[-] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You do know cars don't have to move all the time right? If I was on a road trip and got stuck because of no juice for whatever reason, I would be able to camp wherever I am for a couple days and then have enough to move.

Your thinking is pretty small minded

[-] lnsfwuser@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 9 months ago

This isn’t some theoretical thing I’m making up. It’s really basic math and physics you should have learned in high school. To do a trip of a few miles you would have to charge for a week. Here is a good explainer with demonstration cars that have been physically built, maybe that will help drive the point home.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago

As outlined elsewhere in this thread, you'd have to move the Earth closer to the sun for this to be feasible. You can only get so much solar power as it stands, and even 100% efficient panels would only go so far.

[-] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

Nah. Even 1% power is better than 0% power

[-] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 9 months ago

Not when it costs any amount of money to do so.

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[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

solar farm on a stick

Also known as a "flag"

[-] JungleJim@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

Ha! That could be it too, but I had meant more like a wrap around the pole.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

First, the thickness factor plays into flexibility. Just imagine surfaces of every shape being covered in solar cells. Flexible panels could also be less prone to breakage.

Second, with "as rapid as printing a newspaper", this might be a major cost-reduction thing, even on top of the process needing less high-pure Si material.

This might make solar power generation more attractive even if the efficiency would be lower than other methods, because this would drive the ratio $/kw down.

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[-] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Which would all be a valid concern if you had to carry them all the time or bend them. There are flexible solar panels which you can glue on roof of your boat or car though.

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