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I personally think maybe we should consider subsidizing gun-safe purchases so people are incentivized to buy a gun safe by making them more affordable to first time gun-buyers.
Guns are pretty expensive on their own, and much like people buying a fancy motorcycle but cheaping out on helmet and chaps, people will skip the gun safe if it costs more than they can afford including the gun.
Or maybe they have to buy a safe and or prove they already have one before they are allowed to buy a gun. We can't take away the right to own a gun but we sure as hell can make sure it's safely stored.
That's sort of the situation in the UK, or at least where I'm at.
The UK also doesn't allow pistols anyway. Which is the first kind of gun that most people buy.
Not strictly true.
Pistols are allowed in Northern Ireland, and are subject to the same licences and regulations as rifles and shotguns.
And there are some pistols that are designed to comply with regulations and can be bought.
A better option sure, but I've been alive in the USA long enough to know that's a non-starter. We're absolutely the country of "You have the freedom to ignore safety precautions because there aren't laws against being a complete fucking idiot and a danger to other people."
Sorry I was trying to live in the dystopian reality we exist in for a moment.
I don't exactly have solutions for what to do about conservatives always arguing in bad faith, so my suggestion reflected a political reality, which is that our system of government treats their lack of education and arguing in bad faith valued as the same as educated good faith arguments. It's wrong, it's stupid, it's backwards, and it's so broken we're literally having to have courts decide whether a President can be a King, actually. But it's the system as it exists, not as much as we wish it wasn't a bunch of bullshit crafted by white slave owners who wanted to protect the aristocracy by only allowing land-owning white men to vote. We're not exactly starting with a system that wasn't a pile of dogshit to begin with over here.
For sure, but at least holding them responsible when someone gets hurt or killed is a start. It’s too late to prevent “being a danger to other people”, but maybe some will learn not to “ignore safety precautions”. It’s pretty minimal justice for someone’s life, but it’s a step
Oh good, the old "no guns for the poor" system. Time tested.
I’m pretty sure there have been such programs for trigger locks
I thought gun locks were required to be included with sales?
I know several gun owners who carry and eventually the gun is just like a wallet or keys, they forget about it, loose it, and drop it on the ground. Thousands of gun owners try to bring their weapons through airport security every year, and most of them just forgot they had it on them.
You're thinking of owners who hunt or shoot for recreation forgetting all the wannabe gunslingers for whom storing the thing in a safe would defeat the purpose of owning the thing.
The quality of gun locks given for free with a purchase is very poor. Properly mounted safes are the best bet. Locks alone don't prevent someone from taking it else where to open it with powertools.
Relevant lockpicking lawyer videos:
https://youtu.be/ke418cAUcPs?si=
https://youtu.be/o0LYD9zgWnw?si=
https://youtu.be/6dF9bsQ50Os?si=
I'm not saying that's acceptable but a crap gun safe would still be better than nothing which is what they had in this case.
Turns out those re-usable zip ties pretty much qualify as a "gun lock" to comply with that regulation. The state of the lock industry is completely pathetic anyway, and guns come with the laziest shit they can muster.