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[-] veeesix@lemmy.ca 84 points 7 months ago

and I am trying to figure out what is missing to get more people interested and using it.

A link to the project would be a good start.

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[-] GlitterInfection@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

So if you have a good mix of friends who kept/ripped their CD/Vynil collection or bought songs from their favorite indie musicians, you can end up with a pretty extensive library. This makes it a decent (and legal) alternative to sneaker-net piracy.

Isn't that still not considered legal?

Legality aside, this is the huge barrier of entry for most people, I'd think.

[-] treadful@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's been ruled you technically aren't even allowed to make digital backup copies of your media. There's just no world they'd go after you for that.

[-] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 5 points 7 months ago

Since I'm German and pay an extra fee with every storage medium for it I sure am allowed to do just that. Even though they try to make it absurdly hard for you to do so.

I can even share it with friends and family, just not put it out for the whole world to use it.

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[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The problem with funkwhale is legality. Unless somebody buys the streaming rights for copyrighted music, only CC music or copyleft music can be streamed, or stuff like podcasts uploaded and made by the content creators. However, many people with podcasts are trying to make money, which makes this a non-starter without some method of compensation.

What it first needs is a way to compensate content creators, then it needs publicity. If you got a bunch of random people to upload their shit because they can make money with it, then we're talking. Until then, people like me won't use it as users for lack of content nor as hosters for fear of legal repercussions.

Edit: Also, even for private use it doesn't fulfill my needs. It doesn't have smart playlists and last I checked didn't have star ratings (only hearts). Back when I evaluated it, it didn't have a quick track view either.

IMO, if this were hosted on I2P and I2P had decent speeds, it would take off like coke in a bottle.

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[-] rglullis@communick.news 2 points 7 months ago

What it first needs is a way to compensate content creators

Agreed. This is why I wrote a proposal to fund musicians, and it's also why I'm adding crowdfunding support to Communick.

I have a Funkwhale instance set up and it is part of the services provided for those that subscribe to Communick. It does have some users, but to be honest I'm more interested now in making it more appealing for musicians who want to distribute/promote their own content, rather than use it as a "music locker" system.

It doesn’t have smart playlists

It has the "radio" feature, which sort of works like a smart playlist, no?

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago

Agreed. This is why I wrote a proposal to fund musicians, and it’s also why I’m adding crowdfunding support to Communick.

I read it and it's very similar to other monetisation proposals on the web! What surprises me is how people are misunderstanding it in that thread 🤔 It might help to work on mockups or diagrams to make it clearer (draw.io is good for this, but choose whatever tool you like). Honestly, I think if what you propose were also implemented in peertube, it would take off.

Good luck!

It has the “radio” feature, which sort of works like a smart playlist, no?

Sort of, but not quite. I make smartlists like "unrated songs", "unrated with musicbrainz tags", "unrated with musicbrainz tags and never played", "songs with at least 4 stars and tagged happy, summer, electro", "songs in playlist 'roadtrip 2020' or 'beach vacay 2023' or 'beach vibes' and unique artist and unique album". My library is quite large and with these playlists it helps discover music therein or play exactly what I'm in the mood for.
Navidrome, subsonic, and a bunch of other self-hosted solutions do not provide these features, and if they do, they don't support large libraries. Funkwhale might support large libraries (haven't tried with mine), but it already doesn't have smartlists, so it's a no-go for me.

Again, good luck with the monetisation idea! I really like it.

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[-] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Maybe it is overlooked, but is that unexpected when it seems to cater to such a specific niche? I'm struggling to see why I would use it. If I want to play my own music, I can just use my local setup that uses better apps and has my playlists already. If I want discovery, I can use last.fm, YouTube Music, and other venues. If I want to share music with other people, I start to see a point, but would rather direct people to use Soulseek or a different self-hosted solution that allows downloads. Speaking of, why is there no download link on the files? The website is sharing copyrighted content either way, what difference does it make whether it's saved or streamed to my PC? At least with a download option I could see it as a Soulseek alternative.

And personally, it seems like a lot of effort to upload and reorganise my collection when I can't trust the server and my effort to still be there a few years down the line. After all, storage costs money and who knows when the server host will get bored, run out of spare cash, or get taken down for hosting licensed music. This is before we get into the fact that even the shitty opus re-encodes I keep are over 60gb (the instance I found only supports 50). Of course you'll tell me to host my own instance, but that is narrowing the niche once again as I would have to move my music to a server and learn how to host Funkwhale and would be opening myself up to legal problems.

Excuse my skepticism but I can only really see the use for either:

  • Music collectors that want to share music with each other but for some reason don't want to expand their library via downloading.
  • Users with a tiny or non-existent library that don't mind locking themselves into another website they don't control and can lose their data from at any moment.
[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 3 points 7 months ago

the instance I found only supports 50

This was my issue with it. If you're uploading FLACs you use that up quickly.

Obviously giving everyone 100s of GiBs is a big ask for anyone hosting such a service, I understand that.

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[-] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I ~~don't~~ didn't understand how it works 🥺

Edit 2: Honestly, it just takes someone to endorse it and it'll be huge. But for me personally, I'd rather own my music.

[-] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Por que no los dos? Add a download or p2p library so if you find something cool on Funkwhale you can snag it and host it yourself. Oh shit, I just created soulseek.

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[-] Aurix@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

It is overlooked because filesharing gets you into trouble and Plex is for various reasons the much more evolved alternative.

[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

It's pretty great!

[-] ZMonster@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Well, as someone who has been trying to launch a functioning Lemmy instance for nearly a year now, I can tell you, knowing not the slightest thing about funkwhale, that I would eat my hat if the documentation isn't an all but absent shit show.

My favorite part was learning that my domain was creating a completely new cert from lets encrypt with each deployment and no way of recovering them at all. So after 5 attempts, you have to wait 60 days (or whatever) for them to expire. That was awesome. I messaged the devs about that one and they literally said "we didn't think of that"... 😑

And so much shit goes tits up if you don't deploy it perfectly the very first time. Don't get me wrong, I love the fediverse, but JTFC I hate the fucking fediverse.

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[-] spiderman@ani.social 5 points 7 months ago

is this like a decentralised plex for music? like if i have a set of flac i can simply create an instance, upload those and use that instance with my friends like a spotify?

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

The first step would be understanding what portion of listeners fit the use case you’re trying to solve.

I’m an example that doesn’t. I have no interests in the social functionality but do want a large catalog of essentially everything. You’re not likely to attract someone like me, regardless of how good the project may be. So are most of role like you or most people like me?

[-] rglullis@communick.news 5 points 7 months ago

The "problems" I am trying to solve are a bit like bug #1 on Ubuntu's Issue tracker:

  • I don't want to have an Internet which is accessible to large majority of people through "platforms" controlled by large corporations.
  • Surveillance Capitalism is a net negative for society. People should be able to access services without having to give up their privacy.
  • The attention-based economy has caused terrible damages to civil debate, media institutions are no longer focused on factual reporting and depend on polarization, emotional manipulation of issues and only report on things that are favorable or inoffensive to the Status Quo.
  • Because of increased automation, knowledge workers will be increasingly pushed out of meaningful and well-paying jobs and will be forced to try to monetize every aspect of their life. There are no more hobbies, everything is a "hustle" or a "side project".

I hoped that all the things that I've worked on with Communick were made to the sense of mitigating these problems.

  • Provide open source platforms which can be self-hosted, but do not demand users to become part-time admins.
  • Instead of ad-based revenue, make a honest value proposition: I offer a service, people pay to use it.
  • Create a system where people can allocate a budget to support artists and free/libre developers, to foment a reconstruction of a more open culture.
[-] Bezier@suppo.fi 4 points 7 months ago

Ok, guess I finally have to check out what it's exactly about, then.

[-] warmaster@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

It's not good enough for casuals nor selfhosters.

[-] giuseppe@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
[-] rglullis@communick.news 3 points 7 months ago
[-] giuseppe@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Is there an official Dockerfile?

[-] giuseppe@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Okay I'll set up an instance. Lol.

[-] Bezier@suppo.fi 2 points 7 months ago

I got kind of excited about the mention of the "social" aspect, but it turned out a bit nonexistent. Funkwhale seems to be just a way to set up a file sharing site for music.

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