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submitted 6 months ago by roux@hexbear.net to c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net

Honestly, I'm fucking tired. There is a God damn sticky in every r/LSC post that says it is a commie subreddit, by commies, for commies, and these motherfucking dweebs are upset about it being full of commies? I could write whole essay about this fucking post. Jesus fucking Christ.

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[-] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 46 points 6 months ago

The worst thing about this genocide is the lack of nuance from the anti-genocide crowd

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago

And by nuance I mean still voting for biden regardless of any other external influences or information.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 45 points 6 months ago

Those tankies offer ZERO solutions! I mean, except for when they ask that we stop committing genocide. That's a non-starter.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago

I have a solution for them: follow the UN resolutions and stop supporting the nation in breach of more UN laws than any other. Civility minded process libs are so full of shit because if they really believed in their own bullshit they would hate the US as much as us

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

The thing is that it's calvinball, the rules are made up and enforced inconsistently on purpose.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

The "rules based international order" rulebook is calvinball

International Law, ie. UN resolutions, are actual real and explicit and clear. They aren't enforced consistently you're right, because the US is the one doing the enforcing. However, it should be extremely obvious to any law worshipping Liberal that their precious Western governments are blatant criminals by even their own standards, and they should have that rubbed in their face.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

As opposed to us, who's solution to being opposed to genocide is just endorsing it anyway.

[-] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 39 points 6 months ago

It’s not about viewpoints to the left of Biden existing. Like fucking obviously. But the unfortunate reality of our country is the window has been shifted so far to the right, that’s what we’ve got for now. You don’t have to love him, you can critique every decision he makes, but you must acknowledge that if your goal is more left, giving the most extreme right candidate this country has ever seen a chance to win is a fucking mistake.

We moved the overton window so far right that we now have to concede to far right policies to avoid moving it even further right! Vote for Biden if you really love Lenin!

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago

"You dont have to like him you dont even have to agree with him as long as you vote for him"

"You don't have to support him as long as you support him"

What generous and benevolent gate keepers we have.

[-] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

If conservatives pitched trump to liberals like that they would get laughed at and mocked horrendously.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

At this point I'm not convinced half of them wouldnt vote for him to prove how morally superior they are then blame socialists when he won.

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

If your goal is to move left then you must concede to the right and vote for right-wing candidates as they continue to move right.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago

It's getting more and more frustrating to me how these people twist logic by ignoring that things exist beyond the next election

the most extreme right candidate this country has ever seen

Just ignore the several who owned slaves and campaigned to virtually annihilate indigenous nations.

[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

Right?

It's a really easy case to make that Andrew Jackson was one of the absolute worst. Imagine thinking that orange man who says embarrassing things and does some shitty backroom dealings is on the same level as the fucking Trail of Tears.

These people are so white that they're fluorescent. They don't give a fuck about history or reality, just civility. They have a massive case of main character syndrome.

"Oh, what's that? The Trail of Tears is in the past? Cool! Does that mean the US has relinquished its illegitimate claim over the land since then and it can be returned to the traditional owners? No? So it's not really over so much as it is complete, in that case."

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago

Vote for Biden if you really love Lenin!

You joke but Clown Man made this argument years ago

[-] nothx@hexbear.net 38 points 6 months ago

Libs think capitalism can be repaired, so late stage is just the point right before it’s reborn into early stage capitalism again.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago

Alduin will arrive to devour Wallstreet so it can be reborn in the next Kalpa.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

"No that's just crony capitalism"

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

We just need to wait until the stock market hits 2147483648 so we can roll over to 0 again!

[-] MaoShanDong@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago

Lol r/LSC isn't even that leftist in terms of overall community. Lots of lib brained takes especially on any AES related posts.

[-] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

the mods are good about removing them if you report

[-] roux@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Right before the 3rd party app API bullshit, the modding sort of went to shit but one of the new ones seems to be taking it seriously. Feels a lot like it did a few years ago regarding nuking shit take comments.

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

There are more active mods in lsc now than there have been for as long as I remember and at least one of them is a hexbear

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 29 points 6 months ago

"Turned from people talking about shortcomings of capitalism to a bunch of bots talking about genocide joe."

Notice how as soon as you dont go along with the narrative the dehumanization starts immediatly.

[-] roux@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

That was one of the comments that pushed me to even post this lol.

None of those people remember what that sub was like during Obama and it really fucking shows. They all seem to think it's just a Trump Bad subreddit.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

In their defense reddit had done a great job of driving off anybody that wasn't an insufferable civility fetishist or dumbass chud. they probablly are legitimately confused when they see somebody with actual principles or beliefs outside of helping your side of the coin consolidate power.

[-] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

It's basically "I can excuse genocide but these people pointing it out are gonna get the Cheeto elected"

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

Reddit libs are pushing the idea that the term "Genocide Joe" was invented by Russian trolls, I've been seeing it more and more lately

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

Do you think they appreciate the irony of all of them immediatly defaulting to the same response to every single criticism of dems for the last 6 years, and that defense is to call other people bots?

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

I very much doubt that they've actually thought any of this through lol

[-] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I can’t believe a sub that’s critical of capitalism would attract communists

(Or I guess be made by them idk you get my point)

[-] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Whenever I feel super bad for slipping and making a misinformed argument or point, I remind myself that at least im not a reddit-logo er

[-] Zodiark@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

There was like a small expose of proof showing LSC has an abundance of bots in it.

There was a repost of an old meme and the old meme from then to now had the same comments too.

That subreddit is probably brigaded or surveilled with bots and paid posters.

[-] roux@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

Id be interested in reading that if you can find a link. I feel like it's probably 40-60% bots at this point just to keep any potential leftist redditor in the lib headspace, keep Dems and Republicans fighting.

If you ever see someone post over there and they spell "fuck" as "phuck" that person has like 3 different accounts all with the same posting habits. I did a bit of a dive into that one day out of boredom. Very obviously a bot.

My gripe/post here was more about the obviously intent that that sub was started with compared to the pearl clutchers of now when people don't like either Biden or Trump. It's very "redfash tankie bad" territory lol.

[-] Zodiark@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

The lead mod, now deleted account, femimarxi, purged the ML LSC bots like back in 2018. The banned mods made capitalism_in_decay.

Reddit is very much a narrative controlled site, by ngos and state actors.

I kind of just stick with trueanon sub now

[-] roux@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

Reddit is very much a narrative controlled site, by ngos and state actors.

This has been my takeaway for a long time. Reddit over the last 5 or so years isn't Reddit from 10 years ago. A lot of the struggle sessions feel a lot like Facebook comment fights too. Something is trying to "mainstream social media-ify" it for sure. (I think I've seen ngos before but not sure I know what it is but I get what you are saying.)

I've mostly been hanging out in /r/communismmemes and /r/thedeprogram lately, which is funny because I didn't know about those subs until after I joined Lemmygrad and then Hexbear.

[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

and shills whinging about “genocide Joe”. Those people have no nuance, no understanding of pragmatism

Genocide is a nuanced, pragmatic matter.

If this is a demonstration of your principles then I don't need them or you.

[-] roux@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

Back in the day, I used to laugh at the libs that said we should come to a compromise between Dems and Reps on stuff like minimum wage. This is like that but it's actual fucking genocide.

It's taking one of the worst atrosities a group of humans can do to a other group of humans and pretending we can compromise on it. Serious, what fucking nuance is needed?

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