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[-] asg101@hexbear.net 69 points 6 months ago

If communism was such a fundamentally inferior system, why did the capitalists have to go into trillions of dollars of debt to stop it?

[-] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 41 points 6 months ago

smuglord : because freedom aint free

[-] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago

Price has gone up. Time to pay up

[-] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

frothingfash : damn wokes made my wallet sooper dooper smol

[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 64 points 6 months ago

The DPRK is unironically the unknown threat that the USA doesn’t want the public to really be aware of. All of the outrageous claims made about the DPRK is because America would not be able to defeat them in open combat.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 44 points 6 months ago

The Korean War is quite literally the Forgotten War because it’s almost never mentioned when people talk about North Korea. The way the media and governments talk about it, it’s almost as if North Korea simply manifested from thin air and seceded from the south.

[-] Sephitard9001@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago

What makes you say this? Not doubting I'm just unsure how that would go either way tbh. I don't have the confidence to say that.

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 6 months ago

I think the other comment is partially a meme/joke, but also the US already tried once to defeat the north and lost... or at least gave up. That was immediately post-WWII US military and economy roaring after facing basically zero setbacks unlike most of the world. Korea and China were coming out of occupation by the fascist Japanese and a brutal incredibly long civil war in China... and still managed to hold their own against, again, the US still at it's WWII strength. And it's not like the US wasn't trying to "win" either they leveled every fucking building in the north and still couldn't make them give up. I'm not an expert on North Korean military shit now, but last I heard they learned from the war with the US and built everything underground so it can't really be targeted by the US. Not easily anyway. We see in Gaza that Israel cannot damage much of the underground infrastructure... imagine that on the nation state level. US would be on a total suicide mission to even try an invasion. Not to mention their nuclear capabilities.

[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

I’d like to reiterate that my comment was not a meme/joke

[-] Tom742@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

Propaganda is so heavy. I thought you were being 100% serious because it’s quite obvious the US would handily lose that conflict a second time. Probably even worse than the first as neoliberalism has rotted the US from the inside while DPRK has prepared for this inevitability.

[-] hello_hello@hexbear.net 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The US relies on its asian puppet colonies KUSA and Japan to act as meaningful proxies. KUSA is mostly filled with forced conscripts so judging from the IOF, they don't look like to be an actual competant fighting force. Also in the event of war, military command goes to the US who, as we've seen in Ukraine and Occupied Palestine + Yemen, are so corrupt that it would be a liability so there is a possibility of refuseniks/mutinies in the KUSA army.

Artillery shells are pointed at seoul at all times and can wipe out the entire city in a matter of hours. This inevitably means that SK's economy collapses as all the Chaebols and other assorted bourgeoisie flee and the entire country is militarized while the CIA controlled Korean government would spend all its time doing the classic slava Ukranian trick of kidnapping conscripts and whatnot.

The US backed NATO can't join the conflict because of Comrade Kim Jong Un's investment in nuclear ICBMs (Ukraine much?), inevitably, South Korea's place in the global supply chain would be used as a threat to G7 and the global south to support the war while further isolating the US.

A war with the DPRK could be a flashpoint to a proletarian revolution in KUSA and a complete breakdown of Chaebols which is why the endlessly corrupt and cruel south korean government would never go to war unless the US forced then to (meaning that the Chaebols would know in advance, the optics of which could prove fatal to the rogue state of the ROK).

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 27 points 6 months ago

They couldn't defeat them the first time around and they hadn't had decades to stockpile munitions back then. You can't defeat a country with air power, you can only destroy it, and the west pretty demonstrably only has air power.

[-] egg1918@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

and the west pretty demonstrably only has air power.

And even then it's only when there are no threats to their aircraft. They haven't fought a foe with actual air defenses in decades.

[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago

The other comments explain it enough I think, I’d just like to add that I think there is a natural reaction to underestimate the North Koreans even among leftists, but imho I think the DPRK would do better in a war against the US in Korea than even the Russians in Ukraine. Just for comparison sake the Russians have been practicing the war in Ukraine for 30 years pretty much, but the DPRK has been practicing since the 1950’s.

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[-] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago

No US leader would be stupid enough to invade. It doesn't matter to the US who would win in Korea, all the average person would know is that a few million died after LA got nuked.

[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago

I disagree I think they would like to unify Korea under a South Korean banner, but cannot do it due to the DPRKs military strength.

[-] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That mostly depends on if China gets involved which seems less likely than it did the last time. Also "unified Korea but no LA" is not a great trade, even for the American bourgeoisie.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 6 months ago

Pretty much yeah, and now they're forced to acknowledge the reality of what DPRK is.

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[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 53 points 6 months ago

Shoutout to the lemmitor I saw somewhere speculating about what kind of "rice-filled horror shells" the DPRK was sending the Russian Federation.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 48 points 6 months ago

North Koreans are starving because Kim Jong Un shot all the rice out of a comically large cannon!

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[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 29 points 6 months ago

rice-filled

Stay racist, lemmit.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 35 points 6 months ago

Kim will send over 2 soldiers from the 302nd Necromancy Brigade (Bloodborne) to train Russian troops to resurrect their entire military since they’ve been wiped out in Ukraine. Kim will also send 300 civilians to push Russia’s cope cages around in Ukraine since they’re experienced with pushing heavy transportation vehicles

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

They're afraid of the spectre of communism.

It's like that marching at the beginning of Hell March 2, quietly getting louder and louder, for years and years. Then the guitar riff kicks in and suddenly communism's back baby. Right now they can hear the marching, it's quiet and in the distance... but they are afraid.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 6 months ago

Indeed, now that they're no longer able to prevent trade with DPRK and Cuba, they're going to develop rapidly and all the propaganda about communism stifling development is going to fall apart. Everyone will see that it was US blockade on these countries that was preventing them from developing.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago

I hope that's the case, the very first thing they need to look at is increasing the country's power production capacity so that stable electricity can be supplied everywhere all at once instead of just Pyongyang. Hitting that milestone will result in a considerable amount of progress as the population will be able to do a lot more with less, people will have less chores due to the electrification and appliances that shorten time spent on such tasks which will open up people's time to doing more, both leisure and productive work in their spare time.

That and much more modern heavy machinery for many of the agricultural tasks the country has.

Robotics for factories would be a huge boon because they could reduce factory workforces enormously and push that labour towards other tasks.

[-] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 28 points 6 months ago

The DPRK spent a lot of time building military might as deterrent and inherited many of the USSR's military intellectual development. With their development in nuclear weapons I thought maybe the purpose was to scale back their military and just focus on a nuclear deterrent, but now I'm not so sure.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 6 months ago

It was but Biden government is escalating hostilities on all fronts including Korea.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 6 months ago

The all out sanctions war on Russia was a monumental fuck up on the part of Biden admin. The fear of secondary sanctions was what kept Russia from working with Cuba, Iran, and DPRK this whole time. Now that threat is used up, and Russia no longer has any reason to conform to US sanctions on other countries.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

True, and now we seen Russia openly increasing contacts with DPRK, Cuba, Iran, China, basically all the bad guys on US hit list.

Who would have think that US sanctions really can bring freedom 😆

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 6 months ago

In a manner akin to a protagonist in a classic Greek tragedy, the United States appears to be inexorably propelling itself towards its own downfall, defying the ominous prophecy that looms over its future.

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[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I expect that the main idea will be that Russia will provide resources in exchange for DPRK doing manufacturing. This was largely the relationship back in USSR days as well incidentally. Russian economy is overheating right now, so outsourcing manufacturing makes a lot of sense.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

The wraith of juche haunts the minds of the the imperialists

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