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[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 1 year ago

I've lurked there before and their in-jokes are even more impenetrable than HexBear's.

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

whats the most impenetrable in-joke from hexbear youve come across?

Ive been here since the start so Im curious

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago
[-] ItsPequod@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Fuck me if I didn't start giggling at "John Kerry"

That dude has such a stupid and funny context here

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[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

All the piss and shit jokes are confusing at first. Then there's the references to past struggle sessions. I don't think outsiders will immediately understand the passion around outdoor cats and rock stacking.

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[-] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Do they have dope ass bears?

[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

No. They call Capital "Das" and make obscure Bordiga references.

[-] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Hey, that's the name of my tapeworm! blob-no-thoughts just like me fr

[-] privatized_sun@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For most people, the fact that they are an out of touch gamerchair socialist is a thing of shame, for labor aristocrats, it's just a funny meme to laugh about with your friends as you post utopian poetry on your slave labor phone while sipping slave labor coffee. I don't care if its Vaush or VarnVlog, folks these people are losers!

[-] DoghouseCharlie@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

I'm a sub for salinist simps seeking socialism, fr fr.

[-] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Salinists are just tankies who are extra salty

[-] copandballtorture@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Joseph Saline and the Red Army flushed the Nazi mucous out of Eastern Europe

[-] copandballtorture@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

t34 is actually a neti pot

[-] SyJ@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

Love me a good Salinist,

Salitations to you.

[-] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

we should probably start a club

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

Dislikes leftism

Names community Ultraleft

Ok, yeah, sure, whatever

[-] ComradeCmdrPiggy@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

Infantile Disorder: the Website

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

They use "An Infantile Disorder" as like, the subtitle of the sub. So yes

[-] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

It's a bit , right?

anakin-padme-4

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Three simple questions can reveal whether these ultras are genuine or larpers who don't read

  1. How many sources of profit are there?
  2. Does competition or monopoly define capital accumulation?
  3. Is profitability or consumption the driving force of capitalist production?

No lie, I've never meet an ultra who answered these correctly, mfs on that dogmatist train do not read Marx

[-] unperson@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

What are the correct answers?

my attempt

  1. Only labour.
  2. Monopoly.
  3. Profitability.
[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago
  1. Two; labour being the modern primary and profit on alienation being the other (i.e. buy cheap, sell dear)
  2. Competition; but not in the nonsensical way it's defined by the modern neoclassical tradition
  3. Profitability, you nailed it stalin-approval
[-] MCU_H8ER@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Is profit on alienation the same as arbitrage? Is arbitrage profit?

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Yes, essentially the same thing

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

I assume this also includes rentierism?

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Rentierism is basically just a transfer from a circuit of capital to a circuit of revenue, so the source of the revenue can fall under both categories of profit making in the form of costs

[-] NoGodsNoMasters@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Conflating price with value is a pretty basic mistake and I've seen it in that sub from a fairly prolific poster lmao.

Fortunately most of the comments were clowning on them but it still managed a positive upvote ratio. Thread is here if you want to take a look, it's pretty funny seeing the poster try to defend themselves

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Reminds me of that one famous episode back during the old sub days when another prolific poster tried to "debunk" Marx by repeatedly copy-pasting the definition of "production functions" and claiming the only way socialism would work is through marginalism, he received hundreds of upvotes very comment

lmao it was simultaneously the funniest and worst thing I'd ever seen on the old sub, leftist reddit in 2018 was wild

[-] unperson@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago
  1. Fair, I mixed up profit with surplus value.
  2. How is that? I vaguely remember an argument where competition (as a law) leads to accumulation, but this accumulation of capital and credit in turn makes more material available for monopolization. But perhaps I'm confusing Marx with Lenin.
[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For the theory of monopoly to make sense it has to apply to both macro and mirco, sure from the individual consumer's viewpoint there appears to be monopolies everywhere (Walmart in a small town) but at scale we don't see that, we see vicious competition between enormous firms (and small firms) all over the world, Walmart may not have powerful competitors in a small town, but go to any plaza in the US what do you see next to the Walmart? Nothing but competitors; a Target right there, a best buy over there, a Home depot down the road, a Costco across the street, there's centralization of capital absolutely, but where's the monopoly in this picture?

Now over the history of capitalism there have been phenomenon that take on the appearance of monopoly (company towns, energy cartels, massive nation sized corporations) and sure you can assert there are localized monopolies, but as an aggregate across national economies small firms still exist in enormous numbers, and at the scale where the majority of capital is made, i.e. across national borders there's nothing but competition

Now there's widespread confusion on this matter because neoclassical economics implies that any firm at scale is not competing "properly" and as such is a monopoly, liberals and modern Marxists alike fall for it, but it's a fantasy construction by a tradition that was designed specifically to negate Marxist economics

[-] unperson@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Thank you. Now I wish for more trick questions, hopefully a book with exercises.

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

well at least they know they're ultras. it's always so annoying when you have to be the one to tell them.

[-] Fibby@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

That description made me tilt my head so quick that I pulled a muscle

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

In a coma rn hbu

[-] Finger@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

no more half measures walter

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

actually what the fuck is left of "commies" when you subtract anarchists stalinists and leftists

What the fuck!jesse-wtf

[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Bordiga is the one true communist.

[-] 4zi@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Are they warren ‘leftists’ or Reddit ‘socialists’ I can’t tell

[-] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

They're extremely irony poisoned leftcoms

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

I like'm already that sounds tits.

[-] NoGodsNoMasters@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Just like me frfr

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

they literally adopted the pejorative as a name for themselves? lmao

[-] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Didn't this happen with the word "tankie" too?

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

no "tankies" call themselves MLs.

[-] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

It's more of a terminally online, meme lord thing, but there's certainty some Marxist-Leninists using the term in a positive context.

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[-] a_talking_is2@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Oh, that explains half of it.

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