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I never received formal education in the subject and I want to learn about it so that I may have a better understanding of the philosophy of our political tradition. I'd appreciate any suggestions on materials to get an introduction to the topic.

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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Which field? As a Marxist, my favorite work is Politzer's Elementary Principles of Philosophy. It goes over Idealism, Materialism, Dialectical Idealism, and then ties it together into Dialectical Materialism, and then Historical Materialism.

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Philosophy has a long history, and it builds and rejects and references previous philosophers all the time, so if you want to study all of philosophy, there is no real waste in starting from the "classical" philosophers like Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates, and moving up from there to your Hegel, Decartes, Nietzche, etc, though I personally stick with Marxists.

[–] Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I guess I want to get to Marx and the anarchists by understanding the history before them, what people's arguments were, and the context for why people asked certain questions and gave the answers they gave.

Also I think it is useful to get a general understanding of even people we disagree strongly with, so it would be important to look into that too.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

In that case, I would still read Politzer, as he brilliantly lays it out for the average student, as he was a Professor at a French Worker University. It goes over the entire history of how Marxist philosophy came to be. However, I would follow it up with Socialism: Utopian and Scientific by Engels, who goes over the history of Utopian Socialism and how Socialism came to be Scientific.

For Anarchists, I hear The Conquest of Bread by Kropotkin and Anarchism and Other Essays by Goldman are good. I however have not read them myself.

What general Theory have you read so far?

[–] roux@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

I'd toss Bukanin on the list for Anarchist theory too. I got a few of his and the ones that you mentioned lined up as soon as I get off my absurdism kick.

[–] roux@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Was it you that recommended Elementary Principles to me a few months back? I finally got around to starting it and I'm a bit over halfway through and it's probably going to be my gold standard for understanding not only the pipeline between classical philosophy to Marxism, but it's also a way better resource imo for understanding Material and Historical Dialectics. It's so good and it's very easy to read.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think so? I've recommended it before. Glad you like it! Read it over the course of a week and it expanded my knowledge of Marxist philosophy dramatically. It's extremely clear and tries to meet everyone, no academic language that might go over untrained heads, without getting dull.

[–] roux@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's absolutely filling in a few holes in my own reading. My former understanding was that Marx and Engels agreed with the conclusion of Hegel's work but not the meat and potatoes of it. This does a good job at answering a lot of the whys so far. Like I basically only knew Hegel, like most religious philosophers as an idealist, and Marx and Engels as Materialists, but outside of organized religion, I wasn't familiar with how those schools of thought evolved over time. Or the fact that Idealism still perpetuates itself in everything around us even today.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For me, 2 of the biggest aspects were the evolution of philosophy over time alongside Mode of Production, scientific developent, and technological development, as well as dialectics as comparing subjects within their contexts and trajectories. Massive change in understanding.

[–] roux@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Sounds like the rest of the book is gonna be really good then.

[–] Eldritch@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

https://plato.stanford.edu/

This ressource carried me through my BA It's like wikipedia for philosophy but made by actual professors, they know all about the nuances and implications of the texts.

Its almost impossible to "get" most of these authors if you don't have a massive dose of context (which mostly means reading a ton of other texts to understand the ideological context of the philosopher you're reading) and this page helps a lot with it.

If you want to be linear, start with the presocratics (the poem of Parmenides is a great start as it poses the ontological problem or being/non being that is still around today), then Socrates-Plato-Aristotle, then you got the boring medieval part with Aquinas and Augustine. Then it's Descartes, Kant, Hume, Locke for the modern philosophy period (Idealism/Empiricism) it pretty much ends with Hegel.

From Kant on there's what we call the Analytic/Continental split and you'll notice that we are heavily slanted towards the analytic tradition here in the anglo-saxon part of the west. Frege, Wittgenstein and Russel would be analytic philosophers whereas Nietzsche, Foucault and Sartre would be on the other side.

Hope that helps if you got questions lmk.

[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

plato.stanford.edu is a useful reference. Entries are written by Western academics so they have a particular bias and flavor to them, but philosophy students more or less have to bookmark this site.

Don't take it as gospel, and know that he's grinding all sorts of axes, but Bertrand Russell's History of Western Philosophy. Every single-volume history of philosophy is going to have its problems, but this one is extremely readable and frequently funny. It will give you enough familiarity with the course of the tradition to know where to go next.

Some intellectual historians who can give good background to particular time periods you might be interested in - Paul Hazard, Karl Löwith, Will Durant. Edmund Wilson's To The Finland Station covers socialist thought from Jules Michelet to the Russian Revolution.

Hang out in the JC section of any library that uses the Library of Congress classification system; that's where they keep political theory.

[–] chickentendrils@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

If you just wanna listen this pod has been running 14 years https://historyofphilosophy.net/

[–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

I've enjoyed Why Theory (podcast). The hosts are pretty interested in film though, so a lot of it drifts into how philosophical concepts are portrayed in that medium. They are both Lacanian/Freud focused but also cover the gambit of Hegel, Fanon, and much more

[–] RiotDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

Look, i'm trying to answer very real flaws i have with solutions i'm likely to be able to execute - are there any summaries of philosophers that would provide context, but permit one to, say, read a book like "of grammatology" without knowing what the fuck Derrida is responding to in every single case? Trusting summary is to trust another person's understanding and intentions in authentic conveyance - but this product may exist, and if it does it may be something I need for the philosophy i'm currently trying to read [derrida lol]

but the point is i'm looking for inroads to philosophy that arent reading everything between plato and whatever the contemporary hot shit philosophers are

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

Massimo Pigliucci had/has a pretty good philosophy podcast. I don’t know his politics however

[–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

Another long running podcast: https://partiallyexaminedlife.com/

I was pretty different back when listening to this so take it with a grain of salt but it was a great way to get introduced to many works in a roughly chronological order (at first).

[–] iminsomuchpainv2@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago

Just guess the answer and you'll do better than most, I'm such a hater