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https://www.livescience.com/animals/birds/mice-on-remote-island-that-eat-albatrosses-alive-sentenced-to-death-by-bombing-scientists-decree

Invasive mice are devouring albatrosses alive on a remote island in the Indian Ocean, so conservationists have come up with an explosive solution — "bombing" the mice.

Mice have been wreaking havoc on Marion Island, between South Africa and Antarctica, for decades. Humans accidentally introduced the mice in the 19th century, and the rodents have since developed a taste for wandering albatrosses (Diomedea exulans) and other threatened seabirds.

The Mouse-Free Marion Project, a collaboration between the South African government and BirdLife South Africa, is trying to raise $29 million to drop 660 tons (600 metric tons) of rodenticide-laced pellets onto the island in winter 2027, AFP news agency reported on Saturday (Aug. 24).

The project plans to send a squad of helicopters to drop the pellets. By striking in winter when the mice are most hungry, the conservationists hope to eradicate the entire mouse population of up to 1 million individuals.

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[-] hypercracker@hexbear.net 54 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This place has the weirdest fuckin attitudes about interventions to remediate harms humans have caused to the ecosystem. Yes humans can actually intervene in nature in a positive way! We don't have to just let the biosphere be consumed by invasive species that we've spread to corners of the earth! We know these methods work because we've tried them, not just relied on youtuber/high-school level bio knowledge to speculate about why it would or wouldn't work!

[-] edge@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago

I think it’s partially an emotional thing. Considering some people here see humans and other animals as equals, stuff like

By striking in winter when the mice are most hungry, the conservationists hope to eradicate the entire mouse population of up to 1 million individuals.

can sound downright evil. But handling invasive species absolutely requires measures like this or else the native species and ecosystem will continue to suffer.

[-] hypercracker@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah I mean I get that sure. For example I am vegan and I also fuckin love cardinals. Cutest birds/creatures in the entire world in my opinion. I have names for all the cardinals on my street and recognize them individually. However, every single cardinal living on Hawaii has to die. If I personally had to kill one it would probably give me PTSD. I accidentally killed one in RDR2 once and still feel bad about it. But they all gotta go. The way to think about it I guess is that the crime has already taken place. We doomed these creatures as soon as we unleashed them upon the land where they cause all this trouble. And now it's just paying the price for that action which was so easy at the time.

[-] Hexboare@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

Culling is always more difficult than the people planning culling expect, and I say that with university level zoology knowledge

[-] Cammy@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I admit I didn't read the article when I should have, but it just blows that animals acting entirely within their nature have to suffer and die because of human carelessness. It's really hard to accept there isn't a better way.

I still mean what i said that with $29 million dollars we could find a more humane and ecologically-aware solution. Logistically speaking, I can't think of one right now, but we're smart. I have to believe that we could solve something like this without hurting anyone.

I get that it isn't feasible now and that a plan like is likely to cause less harm in the long run, but it still sucks, you know?

[-] GladimirLenin@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

Marion Island can have outside cats, as a treat.

[-] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

UNLEASH THE CATS TO SAVE THE BIRDS

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

The winter freeze will kill the gorillas

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

before inserting a bunch of poison into the food web--jesus christ, people still come up with and greenlight these ideas--they should do that thing in the bond movie from the villain speach javier bardam gave.

i doubt it would work, but i really appreciate a completely unhinged villain speech.

[-] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Gonna need a big oil drum with that many mice.

[-] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

Nah, you just need a few oil drums. Once you change the nature of the rats to be cannibals, they will consume the remaining rats. They will no longer eat coconuts. Or albatrosses

[-] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

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[-] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

I wonder about the half-life on this poison. Cause theoretically, some stuff could break down before proper bioaccumulation.

[-] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

Ah yes, killing a ton of mice. A very easy thing that we know how to do, which is why there are so few mice overall.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

Holy fuck that's a bad idea. Anything that eats the mice are going to be fucked. Hawks, eagles, osprey, owls.

Fuuuuck.

[-] waluigiblunts@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago

??? This is a remote island in the Pacific and the mice are invasive

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

Birbs fly to remote islands!

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 44 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Do you even know where Marion island is? It's halfway between South Africa and Antarctica. I can assure you, no "Hawks, eagles, ospreyes or owls" are going to be able to reach or fly to Marion island. They don't live there. The bird life that actually lives on the island mainly consists of endangered albatrosses and petrels, which are the birds being preyed on by the mice. Similar rodent eradication plans have been done on similar sized remote islands using the poison and helicopter approach, and have been successful with minimal environmental impact, because most of the birds that live on these remote islands don't eat at land, they eat at sea. The brown skua is the major concern for eating poisoned mice, but their population should bouce back from the ill effects. It's either do nothing and watch the rodents drive the birds to extinction by killing hundreds of thousands of birds a year according to the article (including 8 adult wandering albatrosses), or do something to try save them with a method that's worked before.

[-] Cammy@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

Just like the mice humans introduced, that poison won't remain isolated on the island. If it doesn't go into the stomach of an animal, it will leach into the ground or contaminate the ocean.

For $30 million dollars, they could solve this problem in a less extreme way.

[-] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

Such as?

[-] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

outdoor-cat right-arrow hisssssss monke-rage freeze-peach

[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

michael-laugh

[-] Cammy@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

Give me $29 million dollars and I'll tell you.

[-] Clippy@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

nah don't give it to him, give me twenty-eight million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine dollars and, i'll tell you

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

I'll give you 50¢ and some lint from my pocket

[-] smb@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ask the owners of Aoshima (not the human guests there) if they would like holidays with included all you can eat buffet and transport them to that remote island for a few weeks. 🐈

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Cats were already used to cull the mouse population in the past. They were successful, but they started preying on the endangered bird life, particularly Petrels, so the cats had to be exterminated. Which is why the mouse population has exploded again.

[-] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

I have a suspicion most people here skimmed the article.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No one in the comments read the article and everyone just reacted to the headline. The plan to bomb the island with rodenticide from helicopters isn't actually as hair brained as it sounds. Most of the birds in the island feed at sea so they won't ingest the poison, and the invertebrates on the island are unaffected by the poison. It's even worked before on South Georgia island

https://www.swoop-antarctica.com/blog/the-epic-battle-to-make-south-georgia-a-rat-free-haven-for-wildlife/

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

You think they even opened it?

[-] smb@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

i think the probability of an evil ad banner layer hiding important parts of the article preventing it from beeing read completely by a subset of readers with some not so common browser(-settings) outdated adblockers, no adblockers or specific not fully successful adblockers, or only blocking in dns a.s.o. is very high as ad layers are always on the top no matter what and ads also use lots of scripting no matter how invasive.

usually ad layers are considered more important by website owners than their actual contents and thus these layers might not be removed/fixed even if they are known(!) to hide the real contents in bad ways.

i have seen pages that only show the first paragraph of their contents if you displayed them in reader mode, circumventing all ad layers and their cookie trap banners at once and bcs of that the pageowners choosed to only show you a fraction of their contents thus visitors only can read it incompletely.

because you don't personally have all browsers, -settings, and adblocker scenarios at hand, you cannot tell or even try how bad a page is made unreadable by ads for any given website or article.

so if pple don't read full articles, its likely just bcs of malicious ads or webpages.

prove me wrong

for me roundabout in the middle of that article an advertising for a newsletter is statically displayed while a very similar ad (maybe exact same) for the very same newsletter is displayed as a top layer preventing further scrolling down the article at some (random?) place while reading it. if that newsletter adlayer pops up with a bad timing one has read a significant part of the article maybe its appearence does not break a paragraph or such an due to that adlayer no further scrolling down is possible thus the reader thinks that was the whole article and just goes back to talk about it without knowing significant parts. maybe its the newsletter ad that prevented ppl from reading the article and you (!) are just an indirect victim of malicious ad placement here.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

I appreciate the systemic analysis. That said, I don't really have a stance on why they didn't open it, simply that they didn't.

[-] smb@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

and i think they opened it, but were just hindered to read "all" of it, which matches your observings while it does not assume bad/unwanted behaviour of participants here as a cause but only a bad webpage which actually was observed. so it matches the observings and likely causes while not suggesting bad actors here other than the webpage which actually was observed to act in a disturbing way. i'ld say thats a way better fit ;-)

[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

outdoor-cat

[-] autism_2@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

why doesn't the albatross simply eat the mice

[-] Cammy@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

Maybe we should reduce human interaction in biomes with threatened creatures instead of... checks notes bombing an island with millions of dollars worth of poison.

How many decades do they think the poison will last?