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The Alternative for Germany (AfD) has gained ground in three recent state elections, caused an uproar in the Thuringian parliament and triggering another debate on whether to ban the party outright.

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[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

So, for the sake of argument, if AfD is banned would they not just became a paramilitary group?

What's to stop them from devolving into something more 'nefarious' if they are stripped of political power?

[-] JayObey711@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

What stoped the kpd? Or the groups that wanted to rebuild the NSDAP? Would you rather have them pull the strings instead? I mean yea a ban could be dangerous, but letting them take over the justice system, the finances and police of Germany seems like a horrible second option.

[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Oh I'm not advocating for letting them remain in a position of political influence.

I'm asking what mechanisms beyond simply banning them will need to be implemented? I'm thinking banning them is only a bandage solution.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm guessing they'd still be under observation after they get banned because of exactly that and I also think there's steep step between political engagement and serious criminal activity.

But that gets decided by a court and as a German I think the judiciary is the most trustworthy of the three powers. I think if it even comes to that they deal with the motion in a sensitive way.

[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I am not a German, so I appreciate you explaining that to me. As an American I'd love to say the same about our judiciary.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

We, Germans, cannot allow 30 Jan 1933 to 08 May 1945 to repeat itself. Also, the communists in "Die Linke" can go straight to hell with the neo-Nazis.

[-] iamkindasomeone@feddit.org 2 points 3 hours ago

What are you talking about lol

[-] JayObey711@lemmy.world -1 points 2 hours ago

Fuck you trying to separate the left. That's what happened last time and that's what didn't work last time.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Nah, Russia's fuckbuddys can go straight to hell regardless of their political side.

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 3 points 16 hours ago

or sell thüringen and bayern to the lowest bidder...would work for me.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

LOL! The damn Austrians would snap up Bayern. As far as Thüringen goes, break it up equally for the neighboring provinces to govern.

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If simply banning nazis from holding political power is enough for some of you to question, then you're really not going to be ready for what you need to do to them once they get political power. Ban them now because y'all are far too soft to do what needs to be done if you don't.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Ban them now

They won't, in no small part because the AfD has enough seats to block the attempt. Also, doesn't help that lots of the enforcement wing of the German government (particularly in the national security services) are AfD or AfD sympathetic.

We're well past the point at which Germans can do to the fascists what they did to the communists back in the 1990s - ban the party outright and seize their assets. Now they've actually got to make this a political fight, rather than a legalistic one, because they turned their backs on the AfD for far too long.

[-] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 7 points 3 hours ago

They won't, in no small part because the AfD has enough seats to block the attempt.

They cannot block a decision of the federal constitutional court, don't be ridiculous. Germany has measures in place exactly for this scenario, and they are about to be enforced. They cannot be vetoed away, it's a legal matter.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 2 hours ago

They cannot block a decision of the federal constitutional court

Given the concentration of AfD in the Eastern Block, you'd be inviting the region to pull a Catalonia and threaten to break away.

Germany has measures in place exactly for this scenario

Riot police, sure.

[-] rooroo@feddit.org 1 points 2 hours ago

They’re free to pull a Catalonia tbh. Glhf without Solizuschlag. It’d also be nice to have my friends move back home from Berlin.

[-] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 0 points 1 hour ago

Ooh the Nazis are threatening to break away? Oh no! Whatever will we do without them?!
Fuck them. They can break away and start their own little fourth Reich, which will be a pariah forever. In fact, that's even better - all the fascists can go to the range geographical location so we can deal with them surgically.

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