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[-] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 185 points 2 months ago

This is an older story. The narrative that it failed because it was too good is false. It was a private equity leveraged buyout that doomed it. The company got saddled with like 8x debt with a lot of that money going to dividends for the PE firm.

The product and the brand were strong enough that they've been sold to a different firm in the bankruptcy. If they are competently managed they should be fine.

[-] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 50 points 2 months ago

The lede is buried at the end.

The problem is how the debts got there in the first place—in pursuit of growth for its own sake, of increased output with no clear needs that the new output would address.

[-] golli@lemm.ee 24 points 2 months ago

What i still don't quite understand with these kind of buyouts is who lends them the money and who gets saddled with the debt? Surely banks know the drill and wouldn't want to borrow and hold debt for a company destined to fail in such a way.

Do banks get repaid before that happens and the only people being owed are small contractors and employees? Does the bank repackage the debt and sell it to someone else? Or are the interest payments high enough to just factor in losing part of the money borrowed with high certainty?

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 5 points 2 months ago

I’m guessing D) All of the above.

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[-] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 123 points 2 months ago

Private equity destroying another productive company.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

The founders knew what they were doing. This was their way of cashing out some of the company while continuing to run it. All of the private equity tricks are designed to avoid paying taxes in the process.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 78 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The product didn't fail, American business culture failed.

they should have worked this into the title:

"A company needs to grow.

In the past few decades, the idea that every company should be growing, predictably and boundlessly and forever, has leached from the technology industry into much of the rest of American business."

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[-] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 60 points 2 months ago

My instant pot is amazing. Everyone i know has one. How did they fail??

[-] tararity@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago

When everyone already has one, no one needs to buy it anymore

[-] Aermis@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Someone needs to create a business that bails out/buys excellent quality products and produces them in a small enough scale that only new owners will need.

Consider it an excellent achievement for a product to make it here. Only the best buy it for life products.

[-] Omodi@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Someone needs to destroy private equity.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

And the concept of infinite growth.

Financially, if your company is not expanding an increasing amount quarter on quarter on quarter, it's considered to be failing.

And yet, nothing can grow forever. At some point, all things must come to an end. It's an unrealistic pipe dream.

Say that the Instant Pot is so good that everyone has ten of them. Where would they grow from there?

[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 months ago

The George Foreman machine is still my "peak design". And yet nobody owns one after everyone burned out on it from oversaturation.

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[-] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 months ago

I have a theory that shitty products fundamentaly out-compete good products today because its way cheaper to market your product as good than to actually develop it well. I call it the craptocracy

[-] Soup@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 months ago

I want to see craptocracy trend so hard that it makes it into spellcheckers.

[-] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 months ago

FTFA:

A few years and one pandemic later, the company filed for bankruptcy on Monday,

It's also in a bunch of comments already

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[-] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yep. I've had mine for 6 years and it's still incredible. Luckily compatible sealing rings are still available from 3rd party vendors. Makes great Greek Yogurt, Chicken Soup, and Steel Cut Oats. And of course , it can make so much more.

It sucks that when you make something this good, you're destined to put yourself out of business, meanwhile planned obsolescence works...

[-] remer@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

Does everybody here have an atlantic subscription or did nobody actually read the paywalled article?

[-] dditty@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago
[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is a mirror. The OG was on pushed off GitHub due to DMCA bullshit and now lives on GitFlic

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[-] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I need it for Firefox Mobile which is where I view 99% of my Lemmy content.

[-] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I use it on ff mobile through a tampermonkey script

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[-] aido@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I just installed it from a file as stated in the extension readme and it's working like a charm!

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[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The biggest failure here is the number of people who obviously didn't read the article. Why comment if you don't know what you're actually commenting about? Is this the writing equivalent to loving the sound of your own voice?

Edit: I can't believe my latest most controversial take is "maybe don't discuss what an article says unless you read it first". Just can't make this shit up.

[-] ShadowAndFlame@mander.xyz 19 points 2 months ago

Sorry I tried but I'm not making an account to read an article

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[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 months ago

Pay wall after 3 paragraphs

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[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

So this is one of those articles they wrote to get people to hate read and then the engagement gets people to read their failing website?

[-] CounselingTechie@slrpnk.net 16 points 2 months ago

Sadly I lack an account for the Atlantic, but I am going to assume that they were bought out.

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 months ago

They got toys R us'd by corporate bookeeping shenanigans where they take debt from other companies and dump it all into one business which destroys it.

Articles that lie to me like this make me want to punch the author in their momma smoocher.

[-] solrize@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Iirc they went broke because their first product was a huge hit, so they followed up with a bunch of useless crap that nobody bought.

[-] TDCN@feddit.dk 13 points 2 months ago

I can recommend the Sage/breville "fast and slow go 6L" cooker if you cannot or don't want to get the instant pot. I have had mine for 2 years now and its solid build and i have used it a lot. Makes excellent youghurt and risotto among others.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 14 points 2 months ago

The thing is, these are just a pressure vessel with a timer and a heating element. They are all good unless they are very poorly made.

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Theyre all good until they are bombs, then they're pretty good bombs

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 10 points 2 months ago

So are water heaters and we use those pretty confidently.

Pressure cookers get a bad reputation for safety from the times when they were basically a metal box with a tiny hole in it, but modern cookers have a lot of additional redundancies. Particularly modern ones with timers. It'd take a lot of work to get one of those to go catastrophically. It's more likely to get killed by lighting than by pressure cooker, at least in the US, and as far as I can tell from available stats, and most of the pressure cooker injuries the stats list are from people who got a contact or steam burn, not by explosions.

It's also interesting that people are often afraid of exploding pressure cookers when they think of them as pressure cookers, but you don't get as much anxiety from rice cookers (AKA pressure cooker - but small).

[-] davidgro@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Every dedicated rice cooker I've seen has a permanently open vent. They aren't pressurized.

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[-] ownsauce@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

My Instapot died after a year and was expensive to fix. I didn't bother replacing it, just use the slow cooker if I need to now.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago

I'm curious about how expensive. My last electric pressure cooker was a more expensive model (and I sold it after years in working order), but the stovetop pressure cooker I have at home now was more expensive than the entry-level Instant Pot branded electric cookers.

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[-] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

youghurt

How many spellings of yogurt do people need to make before we have enough?

yohghurht is clearly the correct spelling

[-] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I don't know, you could maybe fit a few more silent H's in if you stretch it a little bit.

[-] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Go full Lovecraft and spell it "yog-huurt".

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[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I guess I didn't get the memo. Mine gets regular use.

[-] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For some strange reason Tor users are able to reach this otherwise paywalled article, so I will post the text below for all those who are unable to reach it. It’s long, so using a spoiler:

full articleThis article was featured in One Story to Read Today, a newsletter in which our editors recommend a single must-read from The Atlantic, Monday through Friday. Sign up for it here.

The Instant Pot is, by all indications, a perfectly good machine—maybe even a great one. The IP, as the device is known to its many devotees, is a kitchen gadget in the most straightforward sense of the term: It’s a classic labor-saver, promising to turn ingredients into family meals while you clean up, tend to your kids, and do all of the other things you could be doing instead of keeping an eye on the stove. Once you get the hang of the electric pressure cooker, it seems to basically deliver on that promise, chugging along gamely through years’ worth of weeknight dinners of pork green chili or chicken tikka masala. Since its debut in 2010, the Instant Pot has sold in the millions and spent years as a must-have kitchen sensation.

Sure enough, in 2019, when the private-equity firm Cornell Capital bought the gadget’s maker, Instant Brands, and merged it with another kitchenware maker, the combined company was reportedly valued at more than $2 billion. A few years and one pandemic later, the company filed for bankruptcy on Monday, weighed down by more than $500 million in debt after years of supply-chain chaos and limited success expanding the Instant brand into other categories of household gadgetry. Perhaps counterintuitively, that the Instant Pot remains a useful, widely appreciated gadget is not unrelated to the faltering of its parent company. In fact, it’s central to understanding exactly what went wrong.

The Instant Pot certainly didn’t invent at-home pressure cooking, but it did introduce the concept to lots of Americans, and it did so in a plug-in, set-it-and-forget-it format that wasn’t as intimidating (or as explosion prone) as using a stovetop pressure cooker. If you weren’t sure how much you’d use the pressure-cooking feature, that was fine—the IP billed itself as a “multi-cooker,” and it also slow-cooked, steamed, sautéed, cooked rice, and made yogurt. At the height of its popularity, in the 2010s, you could get a basic model on Amazon for less than $100, so giving it a shot wasn’t much of a risk, even if you ended up using it only occasionally. As the device became more popular, it seemed to generate endless word-of-mouth praise for its ability to generate one-pot dinners, and Facebook groups, websites, and cookbooks sprouted up to teach new users how to get the most out of their machine.

All of this amounted to the kind of public-relations coup that companies are constantly trying and failing to buy for their own new launches. Those failures are not infrequently a result of the products themselves; at this point, it’s very difficult to come up with a novel idea for a consumer good that addresses some kind of real and reasonably common issue. The average American just doesn’t have that many problems left that can plausibly be solved at the level of inexpensive gadgetry. The Instant Pot flourished because the company found a tiny bit of white space in a crowded market, and it sold a machine that did a serviceable job at helping out a particular type of very common home cook: someone who cooks regularly for more than one or two people, more out of necessity than because they find the process creative or relaxing. There was no slick branding exercise foundational to the Instant Pot’s success. The device was the brand. It still is.

Therein lies the problem, or at least one of the problems. A device developed primarily to address a particular food-prep inefficiency has a natural ceiling to its potential market, and when one catches on as quickly and widely as the Instant Pot, it can meet that market ceiling in pretty short order. Arguably, it can exceed it—people who wouldn’t have otherwise seen themselves as Instant Pot owners buy into the hype. Predictably, after a decade of lightning-fast sales in the United States, things seem to be cooling off. Instant Brands does not release detailed sales figures, but from 2020 to 2022, sales of multi-cookers as a product category dropped by half, according to the market-research firm NPD Group. Instant Pots dominate the category. Very few people seem to need or want a second IP within five years of buying a first one. Why would they?

From the point of view of the consumer, this makes the Instant Pot a dream product: It does what it says, and it doesn’t cost you much or any additional money after that first purchase. It doesn’t appear to have any planned obsolescence built into it, which would prompt you to replace it at a regular clip. But from the point of view of owners and investors trying to maximize value, that makes the Instant Pot a problem. A company can’t just tootle along in perpetuity, debuting new products according to the actual pace of its good ideas, and otherwise manufacturing and selling a few versions of a durable, beloved device and its accessories, updated every few years with new features. A company needs to grow.

In the past few decades, the idea that every company should be growing, predictably and boundlessly and forever, has leached from the technology industry into much of the rest of American business. Recently, it’s become clear that those expectations are probably not sustainable even for companies that have produced era-defining software products. They’re certainly not sustainable when placed on the shoulders of the humble Instant Pot, which, despite being an object with a digital display and a wall plug, was never technologically innovative so much as it was a clever, useful packaging of existing components. This was not at all unclear during the product’s heyday, but private-equity interests tried to moneyball it anyway, as they are wont to do.

When Cornell Capital acquired Instant Brands, in 2019, it merged the company with Correlle Brands, which it already owned and which makes a few lines of kitchenware, including Pyrex. It then began steering the brand into new markets with new products—it tried Instant-branded air fryers, blenders, air filters. None of the new product lines really worked out, because lots of other companies already do a fine job manufacturing and selling those things, and no one really had a reason to choose the Instant Brands version over competitors from Ninja or Vitamix or Honeywell, which specialize in those kinds of products in the way that Instant Brands does the multi-cooker. There was a lot of money, at least while interest rates were low, but there was no second good idea. Of course there wasn’t. Success on the Instant Pot scale is very seldom repeatable. It’s vanishingly rare for it to happen to a consumer-products company even once. But the pressures and expectations of private equity mean that that sort of astronomical success can still result in failure.

The Instant Pot, for its part, is not dead. Cornell Capital has brought in a restructuring crew, and the brand’s Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing allows it to continue doing business while it seeks relief from its debts. The problem is how the debts got there in the first place—in pursuit of growth for its own sake, of increased output with no clear needs that the new output would address. Even if the Instant Pot were the greatest kitchen gadget of all time, it wouldn’t be enough to overcome that faulty financial logic.

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