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I've seen around 3 occasions of that this week, altho I have never seen anything like it before.

if I remember correctly they were:

  • smack talking a mod (FlyingSquid) for saying not to report the same comment twice, when they were different comments, and the report was spam
  • someone comparing .world with .ml in politics (as in there was a comment saying "this post will be overrun with .ml people, and then a comment going "but you are from .world") (Maybe Im part of the problem? I have been called out for being a fascist because I questioned the "puching nazis" theme)
  • one more which I can't remember.

Anyways, what is all that about? Are people really starting to hate on 50% of the lemmy population because of their instance?

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[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 133 points 4 weeks ago

.world is the biggest instance and therefore a prime choice for trolls to create accounts. Most of the trash posts I’ve seen lately are from brand new users on lemmy.world

I am equally suspicious of brand new lemmy.world users as I am of veterans of lemmy.ml. Older accounts on .world are usually pretty normal.

[-] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 129 points 4 weeks ago

This is why I chose lemmynsfw. No one doubts our intent

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[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 14 points 4 weeks ago

A big number of instances don't federate with lemmynsfw though, so there's a lot of users who don't see the messages of the users from that instance.

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[-] atocci@lemmy.world 31 points 4 weeks ago

I like to think of myself as normal lol

I'm here because kbin.social died and this was my next oldest account

[-] ShadowRam@fedia.io 13 points 4 weeks ago

I moved to fedia.io because it is basically kbin.social, but working.

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[-] freeman@sh.itjust.works 93 points 4 weeks ago

Its an incredibly pro US biased instance despite not being hosted in the US and having a .world domain.

Greatest hits are politics@lemmy.world forbidding non-US topics and of course news@lemmy.world and its bias check bot according to which every non US media is left wing biased.

God that fucking bot.

The bot itself is only mildly offensive, but the fieflord bot-love is just repugnant.

About a month ago news did a "feedback about the bot" thing, in which they declared undying love for the bot above all things and declared any input other than breathless support for the bot to be vote manipulated misinformation.

There were about 3 mods involved, all contradicting each other, and themselves, very condescending, and very sooky and sulky. "One of the mods almost resigned over this!" kind of stuff.

You had to start every comment with "look I know you guys are doing your best and investing all your free time as volunteers but..."

[-] Invertedouroboros@lemmy.world 18 points 4 weeks ago

To be fair, considering the right wing hellscape our (US) Overton window overlooks the bias bot might actually have a point.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 41 points 4 weeks ago

Oh no. Just no. We've found more than enough cases of bias to call it unreliable at best and a cover for washing conservative sources at the worst.

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[-] freeman@sh.itjust.works 33 points 4 weeks ago

The bot posts in world news which allows non us news.

It not trying to criticize the right wing bias of political discourse it's trying to normalize it and apply it to non US issues and media.

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[-] oce@jlai.lu 81 points 4 weeks ago

It's a battle of political ideologies.

ml is administered by the creators of Lemmy, they are openly socialist/communist/tankie depending on your own ideology, ml was chosen to represent Marxism-Leninism, and so the people it attracted are generally also adhering to this kind of ideologies.
.world was created for Redditors exile, as such, it is mostly center-left to social democrat.

Political extremists tend to extremise everything, typically a tankie will call you a Nazi/fascist if you disagree with them. That's one of your answer.

Secondly, some ml people are frustrated that Lemmy is not their own little thing anymore for them and their friends, as world is the biggest instance now by far. So they show some kind of instance-xenophobia, not much different from the Great Replacement theory: "we are being culturally replaced through mass migration".

Not all .ml people are like that of course. In my experience, it is enough to block a few tankies to get back to civilized discussions.

[-] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 46 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I have had way more issues with .ml communities than .world

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 23 points 4 weeks ago

ML was basically designed to be an echo chamber, it’s right there in the name.

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[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 17 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I made the mistake of being an anarchist on ml and hexbear.

Waay, waaaaaay too many tankies getting insanely pissed off and swarm when you criticize (point out obvious facts, really) any non US/Western countries or allies along anarchist lines.

It rapidly devolves into idpol, rants and tirades that are barely related to the topic or comment, Fox News style 'I'm just asking questions in good faith' which are obviously not in good faith if you're older than maybe 10.

I dare someone to go ml or grad or hex and attempt to have a serious and thorough conversation about the Sino-Vietnamese war. Or Uighurs. Or the Holodomor. Or whether the concept of self-determination applies to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Palestine at the same time.

I remember at one point explaining a meme that popped up on some China's social media site that boiled down to 'Deng Xiaoping's reforms have led to Chinese women craving giant Black cocks', and all of them being just fine with incels and racism when its not Westerners doing it.

Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have 'communists' arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin. Although that is more rare, it does happen.

EDIT: Its somewhat sad, as it is great fun when everyone is dogpiling on some new latest insane western neocolonialism or corporate incompetence/hellscape type stuff, but I treat those places like Ravenholm:

We don't go there anymore.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 24 points 4 weeks ago

Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have ‘communists’ arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin

That's an instaban from hb, grad, and .ml, did you report that post?

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 4 weeks ago

Or whether the concept of self-determination applies to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Palestine at the same time.

That's the hypocrisy that pisses me off the most. I don't know how someone can support resistance by any means for Palestinians but seriously suggest Ukrainians are nazis for resisting an imperialist invasion.

PS: there's at least 2 anarchist instances on Lemmy 😉

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[-] Soup@lemmy.cafe 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I’ve yet to see anyone in .world ban someone simply for having a political affiliation. The tankie communities flat-out ban for being “liberal.”

Granted, it’s been a while since I e seen this happen, the admins/mods there do not hide their bias.

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[-] Fleur_@lemm.ee 80 points 4 weeks ago

Imo the best mods/admins are the ones I don't have to interact with and oh boy did I interact with the admins of .world

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 16 points 4 weeks ago

Nice way to phrase it 😄

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 73 points 4 weeks ago

A lot of this boils down to consequences of lemmy.world being the largest instance: typical Reddit users beeline for it, trolls go there, larger comms so more frequent issues with moderation, people who fail to distinguish between "we shouldn't concentrate our activity into the largest instance" and "largest instance bad! EDIT WOW THANKS FOR LE GOLD TO LE KNEE KIND STRANGER!", so goes on.

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[-] FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

lemmyworld in many ways is still just reddit. don't get me wrong, I've talked to plenty of cool people on there before. but it is the biggest instance that ballooned after the API controversy and a lot of them seem to have just brought Reddit to the fediverse with them. I have no issues with any mods there, I've not really seen them at all. they did defed a community from my instance though so that's pretty lame of them.

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 35 points 4 weeks ago

I beg to differ: even Reddit these days is little like Reddit, as it was just prior to the protests. Reddit f-ing died, and Lemmy.World is nothing like that shithole, especially what's left nowadays with bots copying bots speaking to bots, allowing humans to simply scroll forever.

To any extent that it is like the Reddit of old though, yeah it's just bc it's so big. It was guaranteed that some instance would become that, bc people are people - at least here, not like AI-Reddit. 🤡

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 4 weeks ago

t’s just bc it’s so big

It's not the World is big...

It's just everyone else is so small.

Like in the grand scheme of the fediverse we're all tiny. But of the "reddit clone" instances it might be bigger than everyone else put together even.

I went over to your instance and checked, and yeah, it's a reddit clone interface too

The structure makes all of us "like reddit" because reddit has always had a shit ton of different small subs with vastly different vibes. A decade ago there was some sub on Reddit that had the exact same vibe your instance has today. That's just how big reddit was.

Federation just means no one group of admins can seize control, even if World went to shit tomorrow, everyone would just bounce. I have zero "loyalty" to my instance, if it starts to suck I'm out.

That's the point of this whole thing.

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[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 33 points 4 weeks ago

I don't hate LW, I even regularly post to a few LW communities. The sysadmins do a good job. There are a few debatable moderation decisions, but those are usually documented on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

The main issues I have with it is

  • centralization of communities coupled with the current federation implementation creating 7-days delay for instance like aussie.zone (see !fedimemes@feddit.uk for a meme and discussion on that topic)
  • their communities being the default means they can take controversial decisions and impact a topic for everyone until an alternative community emerges. See all the debates with the Media Bias Fact Checker bot, which in the end got removed from !world@lemmy.world (!globalnews@lemmy.zip for an alternative) but apparently it still on !politics@lemmy.world
  • another consequence of centralization is impact of their being unavailable. People here might remember August 2023 when LW was under consistent DDoS attack, it was barely usable. This prevented a third of Lemmy total users to use Lemmy. Should they face a similar issue in the future, most of the Lemmy communities would be unusable.

Another point I haven't seen mentioned is that they are still federated with Threads: https://fedipact.veganism.social/

They are the last large instance which still is.

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[-] Soup@lemmy.cafe 32 points 4 weeks ago

Because the pedantic shit that the socialist get away with in .ml, Hexbear, and Lemmygrad doesn’t fly here. And because of this, they accuse .World of bias while completely ignoring the fact that their own instances ban people for simply being “liberal.”

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[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 32 points 4 weeks ago

I have nothing against the wolders but the admins of that instance raise more than a few eyebrows. Particularly when they rolled back specific anti hate speech policies in favor of vague common sense ones to stay ahead of the anti-woke crowd.

Kind of feels like they have been trying to take over Lemmy. Which... Could be a lot worse but still rubs me the wrong way.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 31 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Some of the dumbest and most aggressive comments I've seen on Lemmy came from lemmy.world. Most comments on it seem OK, but it does have a reddit-like flavour with a good number of unpleasant users.

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[-] RonnieB@lemmy.world 27 points 4 weeks ago

What's wrong with punching nazis?

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[-] Xylight@lemdro.id 24 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I'd say the biggest criticism is that it's the largest instance, and is also a "general purpose" instance, which sort of takes away from the main goal of the fediverse. When 90% of content comes from one instance, it opposes the goal of decentralization.

I chose lemdro.id because it's nice and fast, the admins are very good, and its main topic is around technology/software which I like

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

.world runs into issues because it's overwhelmingly liberal and the mods are anti-Marxist on a platform built by Communists and dominated by leftists in general. They also defederated from the major Marxist instances. Lemmy.world is largely a replication of Reddit as well, so people leaving Reddit also don't necessarily want that either.

It's also by far the largest instance, not necessarily in a good way. It tends to dominate the fediverse and thus their mods and admins have an outsized voice, even if federation helps combat that issue.

Plenty of people like Lemmy.world, you'll get different answers if you asked on another community like Lemmy.ml's AskLemmy.

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[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 18 points 4 weeks ago

Also, just thinking about it, but OP, you are posting this on a LW community, while people really disliking LW probably blocked the instance. You could maybe crosspost to !asklemmy@lemmy.ml to get additional answers

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[-] eatthecake@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago

The instance structure conveniently groups people together and labels them. Stereotyping, bias and tribalism are the natural result.

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 weeks ago

I usually beef with sh.it.just.works users because by far I've met the most wrong takes there, especially in WPT, and it's quite funny considering the instance name conveys a sort of desperation in not being able to get Lemmy to work, which just makes it seem like it's an instance for the less intellectualy gifted of us, but it's all in good fun really. Some communities there are also quite nice.

I'm pretty aligned with hexbears/MLs but their Russia simping is too much, whether it's critical support or trying to get a reaction out of folks to post the pig it just feels like a nazi bar type situation.

Ironically db0 and slrpnk feel far more legit to me as an anarchist though neither are explicitly anarchist or based around being leftist in any other way.

Blahaj.zone banned me for transphobia on my first post I think. Or one of the communities did. No idea what I said there but I totally get them not messing around with bans.

World is just the largest instance, so naturally has the most trolls, spam, dodgy mods with weird rules and so on and so forth.

That's the beauty of the fediverse though, if they ever became a real problem for me I'd just block em all. I kind of love this instance culture. Makes the place feel more human than the cold masto bullshit.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Lemmy.dbzer0.com is literally anarchist though. It's run by anarchists and has an anarchist coc. It's just not only for anarchists.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago

someone comparing .world with .ml in politics

Everyone to the left of me is a psychotic delusion America-hating Tankie.

I'm a rational, centrist clear-eyed moderate making fact-based decisions using my extensive expertise on the subject matter.

Everyone to the right of me is a Russian bot or a troll.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Are people really starting to hate on 50% of the lemmy population because of their instance?

You betcha buddy. Joking. For myself, at least.

Idk what's going on with Flying Squid, but a lot of the trolls accounts I see are from .world so people are probably starting to associate that instance with those kinds of people.

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 16 points 4 weeks ago

I don't think FlyingSquid is a troll; I just think they tend to be argumentative and opinionated (I can be those things as well, so I'm not really judging when I say so).

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago

He is also very heavy handed. The entire admin team is (not necessarily a bad thing). I was banned from a community for reporting a comment that insulted me directly because they didn't like a joke I made. The joke was a harmless word pun, the comment I reported called me an idiot. But I was the one banned. Resource? None, calling the mod chat to argue a community ban is discouraged and also an offense. My account could be banned just for pointing it out in this comment. But that's just the way things are here. I had to block FS because he tended to argue in bad faith with me whenever I happened to comment in the same post as him.

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[-] njordomir@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago

I want you all to know that I'm happy you're here, cis het white male frat boy from old wealth with an ivy league education or a neorospicy gay trans Jewish anarcho-communist and everything else out there.

While I won't judge you on your instance, I will judge you on your ability to be a good neighbor. I'm always glad to see humility, kindness, empathy, comradery, etc. on display.

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