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Why are peole hating on .world?
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this post was submitted on 09 Oct 2024
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I have had way more issues with .ml communities than .world
ML was basically designed to be an echo chamber, it’s right there in the name.
FTFY (though, I'm mostly being sarcastic here - like most things, moderation there is a mixed bag from community to community).
.world is the one that "preemptively defederated HB and grad, as a last resort" due to such scary views as opposing NATO and the IMF.
There are sophisticated and nuanced critiques to be made of Western power projection, soft and hard. "Nuanced" and "sophisticated" are not words appropriate to the average hexbear or lemmygrad denizen's take on geopolitics, and for those of us who live in the real world rather than living to argue over how many Maos can dance on the tip of the icepick that killed Trotsky, the loud and unrelenting naysaying of anything less extreme than "armed proletarian revolution now!" got to be incredibly tiresome, not to mention the constant cheerleading of brutally-repressive regimes that don't have any values in common with actual socialists or communists just because they oppose the US and its allies.
This is my main issue with tankies. Yeah, late-stage capitalism sucks and exploits the layman to enrich the rich further—I take no issue with that. It's the knob-slobbering of Putin, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong Un that makes no sense. Modern-day Russia, China, and North Korea have about as much in common with communism as oat milk has with milk: nothing but the name.
Drag thinks oat milk is milk. Drag isn't convinced that cow's milk is real milk, though. Milk comes from a plant, drag isn't sure something from an animal's boob counts. Chemically it's too different from milk to call it the same thing.
I think practicality is the only important thing here, if something looks and tastes like milk, and can be used as milk in 98% of cases, it's fine to call it a type of milk.
Certainly if we're gonna call peanut butter peanut butter just because it spreads like butter, despite having no other similarity, there's no reason to split hairs over things that are interchangeable with milk.
Drag doesn't think we should call cow breast milk real milk, because validating it makes people more likely to drink it, and that's wrong. We should be telling them it's weird. That should be the default position for society.
Yeah no, you're not wrong, cow milk is just another type of milk, there is no one "real" milk, animal or plant based.
It might be less weird in other contexts, but the in the context of our current farming practices, the fact that it needs to be pasteurized due to the likely presence of dangerous pathogens and has bio-available hormones, is weird as fuck.
So, Drag thinks countries that act as though their neighbors are part of a greater whole ruled by them as the motherland, and have political structures where the governing body consists of a small cohort (and not the proletariat) are communist?
That's imperialism, buddy.
Let me know when: 1) China stops trying to exert absolute control over Tibet, Taiwan, and Hong Kong; 2) North Korea accepts that their ownership ends where their globally-recognized territory ends; 3) Russia stops invading neighboring countries; and 4) All three of them abolish the ruling class and give the power to the people.
December edit: This is a regretful instance of me being needlessly antagonistic.
Drag has no idea what you're talking about, does not support China, and would prefer lowercase pronouns, please.
If drag does not support China, drag is probably not a tankie. If drag calls drag communist and consider Russia and North Korea communist-led countries, drag is wrong, however. A charitable description of those countries would be "socialist" by Marx's definition.
Russia is capitalist, mate. The Berlin Wall fell. Drag doesn't know why you think drag might be a tankie. Drag's an anarchist. And you replied to a comment about milk.
It's okay, Drag. Some people just need to learn to let go.
Ohhh, drag just went back and read the thread. This is a China thread. Drag forgot. Drag just has strong opinions on milk, drag didn't mean to imply anything about economics. Vegan milk is a more important political issue in drag's opinion than whatever humans are up to.
Understandable. I hope drag has a good day and glass of ethical milk.
Drag cares for the plight of the Uyghurs. But drag is not Chinese and drag can't do much to affect things in China other than campaigning to send drag's country to war. Drag doesn't like war. There are 10 times as many enslaved cows as there are Uyghurs in China. Drag thinks if you care about slavery, start with the cows. Especially if you're not Chinese and don't have much way to free the Uyghur slaves. If drag was Chinese, drag would be trying to free the Uyghurs and the cows. But in drag's country, the most drag can do for Uyghurs is say that what is being done to them is wrong. Drag can tell people that normal milk is vegan milk and drinking breast milk is for perverts, and drag thinks that will have a bigger effect on reducing slavery.
Then drag and I are in agreement :)
I saw drag clarification that drag comment was just about milk and not politics or economics. Myself and others had a different interpretation, which is where things were misunderstood.
Drag thanks you for understanding, but drag would like to clarify something. Drag was speaking about politics. Drag thinks milk is political, and that it's a bigger political issue than anything happening in China. There are 1.55 billion cows being enslaved for dairy and beef. There are more slaves being kept for breast milk right now than there were slaves in the entirety of the Holocaust. Milk is one of the biggest political issues in the entire world. The only things more political than milk are meat, carbon dioxide, and aliens. Drag was being very political.
Drag says aliens because Earth is not the most important place in the universe. It's just the most important place we have access to. That's why we need to look after it until we can learn who is out there. When we do, our Earth problems will suddenly seem very small. And also they will think we're weird for drinking cow breast milk when we had perfectly good oat milk.
Go visit hexbear.net/PPB (nsfw) for a good reason why one might want to defederate from them.
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Strawman arguments and other such logical fallacies as these are why I user blocked lemmy.ml. It's too bad they still show up from Lemmy.ml accounts everywhere I look:-(.
Fuck off tankie
Everyone has. That place is a toxic shithole.
I haven't.
give it more than 14 days.
A month so far. I mean, I'm pretty sure I probably said stuff that was ignorant of actual facts that showed up on other instances and could've been dv'd by, it argued over with them, it's hard to say since my original instance went down and I generally try not to hold grudges, but as long as I've been consciously aware, I don't recall any unpleasantness. But then I'm not going on their instances acting like I know everything just because I read it from a Western or US-centric source. All governments BS their citizens and we never really know to what extents, since *Assange, Snowden, Manning and a bunch of other whistle-blowers were heavily persecuted and prosecuted.
I have been corrected, with credible sources from Western-centric media and had my thinking challenged, but it wasn't disrespectfully, as far as I was aware. They're alright, I've had non -confrontational posts rm’d and been flamed for no good reason by mods and regulars on the biggest instance. Every other instance seems pretty decent, but that's my own experience.
I mean... a toxic shithole? Really??
I think of it as more of a cancerous shithole.
A toxic, cancerous shithole of vapid pissfarts incessantly salivating on themselves while climbing over one another to be top edgelord in a community that will eternally fail to produce anything remotely resembling neither edge, nor lords.