Yeah, it's not like any of those NK soldiers are ever coming home. Imagine what would happen if, say, the 2000 surviving soldiers of the 20k they sent got back, and tell everyone how in wartorn ukraine, things are WAY better than in Glorious North Korea.
Idk, what are the people going to do about it? It's not like anyone actually leaves the work camps...
Uh, I know the community likes to meme about peasant hovels and parasite infections and such but they won't be living with Ukrainians, they'll be chilling with Russian conscripts, will they be able to tell a difference?
Things in Russia might not be great, but they're not on the same level as North Korea by far.
NK is genuinely quite successful at isolating its population, Russia is not. Russian living conditions aren't horrible, they don't experience famine and such, etc. They have internet, and many of them that are otherwise not technically inclined seem very well versed in how to evade the state censorship and control of communication. Other day I was playing D&D with some Russian friends when they started blocking Discord in Russia, and we figured out a workaround within the hour and within a day they had Discord working again, and these guys aren't otherwise heavily inclined to towards computer shit. They're above average level of user knowledge, but they've become knowledgeable in this very specific area.
From what my Russian friends say and I gather from their descriptions, it's a lot like Republicans here; the ones that support Putin and the current government are doing it in spite of obvious evidence they have no trouble seeing.
Now I would assume they'll isolate these North Koreans quite a bit, the language barrier will prevent them from talking to the average Russian and so on. The ones they bring home, for domestic propaganda purposes, will be the most loyal, willing to go on with whatever story they're told to tell about their experiences.
Sure, but they have eyes, and they can see the town they occupy/pass through are miles ahead of their NK subsistence-farming village.
If any of them get into actual combat then they're gonna get turned into dog food. They have no experience and Putin absolutely only wants them as cannon fodder so he doesn't have to do more unpopular domestic recruiting.
Russian doctrine has plenty of room for literal cannon fodder.
Yeah, Russia has produced one great military leader who didn’t overly rely on sheer numbers and he got icepicked to death in Mexico.
well sure, but they'll need running water and a functioning sewer system for those. That's the hard part, at least in NK!
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/nk-manure-quota-2020-10142019154836.html
Citizens Fight Over Feces to Fill Human Fertilizer Quota in North Korea
Competition for human feces has become cutthroat in North Korea, as authorities have burdened citizens with impossible collection quotas to prepare fertilizer for next year’s farming season.
In impoverished North Korea, farms are fertilized using human waste, and the government tasks every household with yearly collection quotas.
RFA reported in January, shortly after leader Kim Jong Un’s New Year’s address, that households were struggling to meet an impossible quota amounting to 100 kilograms (220 pounds) per able-bodied citizen.
If you have access to a source of poop in North Korea, I assume that you're not going to simply flush it away, even if you had the infrastructure to give you that option.
Thank you. That's horrifying. There's not enough animal manure, ashes or bones for the fields because ...?
I'm not an expert in the situation, but I'd guess that:
Animal manure. We're wealthy enough that we don't think about it much, but meat is calorie inefficient, something for the wealthy. North Korea is pretty poor, has had recent problems just feeding the population, has seen famine. Unless you're part of the regime -- I suspect, looking at his figure, that Kim Jong Un is getting a healthy dose of calorie-rich foods -- I doubt that a lot of meat consumption is happening in North Korea. If you're having a hard time getting enough calories produced, you aren't going to be targeting luxuries like meat.
kagis
North Korea has never been a nation of meat eaters, even considering an increase in consumption under Kim Jong Un, but that does not mean the country’s people do not like meat. On the contrary, meat has always been a desirable and prestigious delicacy in the DPRK, as it is throughout East Asia.
The problem has always been that high population density has required the use of nearly all available flat land for rice paddy fields, since an acre of agricultural land produces roughly ten times the calories of an acre of pasture.
This says that meat consumption did increase somewhat under Kim Jong Un:
Prior to 2000, except for North Korea’s elites, the country subsisted principally on vegetarian diets. To have meat as few as two to three times a year was the apparent norm. Under Kim Jong Il, that began to change as efforts to expand the availability of animal protein to more of the population began around 2005.
Ashes. I don't think that this is a substitute, don't think that nitrogen at least is provided, which is the most-critical thing that fertilizer normally provides.
kagis
Sounds like it.
https://gardening.usask.ca/articles-and-lists/articles-how-to/using-wood-ash-in-the-garden.php
Is wood ash a good fertilizer?Â
Wood ash adds nutrients to your soil, but the amount varies according to the kind of wood burned. Generally, the largest ingredient in wood ash is calcium carbonate (about 20%). This is followed by potassium (less than 10%), phosphorus (1%) and trace amounts of micro-nutrients such as iron, manganese, boron, copper and zinc. Wood ash does not contain nitrogen.Â
Used in moderation, wood ash helps to fertilize your soil. However, since wood ash has no nitrogen at all, it is not a complete fertilizer. Adding compost to your soil will help meet the other nutrient needs of your plants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertilizer
Nitrogen-fixing chemical processes, such as the Haber process invented at the beginning of the 20th century, and amplified by production capacity created during World War II, led to a boom in using nitrogen fertilizers.[2] In the latter half of the 20th century, increased use of nitrogen fertilizers (800% increase between 1961 and 2019) has been a crucial component of the increased productivity of conventional food systems (more than 30% per capita) as part of the so-called "Green Revolution".[3]
Bones. Bones come from animals. See above point about meat.
wow that's awful, no wonder they're opting to join the Russians!
The toilets are for seating. Not enough chairs in NK.
Maybe it's for wine
Ah, the proxy Chinese are coming.
do they have like two butts or something?
Upstairs and downstairs obviously!
/s
So they're alcoholics? ^pee^ ^and^ ^puke^ ^simultaneously^
His and hers
Having run out of convicts, Russia had to turn to the inferior option of using North Koreans for its cannon fodder needs.
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