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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Yuritopiaposadism@hexbear.net to c/dredge_tank@hexbear.net

Karlach and Lae’zel ugly????? They have Chosen DEATH!!!!

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[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Wasn't BG3 praised as one of the best AAA games in years with a great story and interesting characters?

(Oh and can we get a CW for the enbyphobia pls sadness )

[-] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago

Praised so universally that people were talking about it as a repudiation of recent trends in development and monetization practices and a revival of AAA single-player gaming. I say bait.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

The line between bait and delusion is incredibly thin.

[-] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

Poe’s law, but for video game discourse.

[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Are Karlach and Lae'zel even non binary though? I thought they were just some badass demonic/psyonic women.

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago

"Women who could beat my ass" get reactionary pronouns dorks upset enough to misgender them.

Like in Aliens: "Hey Vasquez, have you ever been mistaken for a man?" "No, have you?"

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

I love that line. The whole cast did such a good job in that movie.

[-] Mog_Pharou@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

You're just too bad, Vasquez panting

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[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No, they aren't nonbinary. Afaik there's one nonbinary character in new Dragon Age and that's all i can remember from the top of my head.

Also in all my playing in rpg's ever, Yennefer in W3 was the one romance i tried to avoid as far as possible, but i thought it was impossible due to canonical circumstances that they were basically magically bound into it. I was seriously impressed by devs of this game that they really gave player a choice in this through the surprising quest.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

DA:I also had a trans character if I recall right

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[-] Darth_Reagan@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lae'zel is a space babe and Karlach is a demon babe. Karlach is butch, but she is still conventionally attractive.

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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago

Doubly funny bc iirc Yenn used magic to drastically change her appearance to conform to the beauty standard. All sorceresses are beautiful but they're not all born beautiful. f

[-] egg1918@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Skyrim probably the most overrated game ever

[-] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago

In a lot of ways yea. I’m actually in the middle of replaying it for the first time in years and doing a survival mode play through, trying to engage with mechanics I never did before

And it’s funny bc every single element of it, every mechanic, is totally half baked and yet idk it just has a certain je nais se quoi about it. Idk if it’s just the vibe or I just really like exploring or something but despite every part of the game being pretty weak, as a whole I find it pretty enjoyable in a junk food-y kind of way

I definitely don’t know what kind of drugs I’d have to be on to hold it up as a blueprint for “strong story telling” or “awesome combat” tho lol

[-] Darth_Reagan@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

Its definitely one of those 'the whole is greater than it's parts' games

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[-] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Skyrim had gay marriage too. Not that marriage in game was that fleshed out.

[-] Gorb@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[-] REgon@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Imagine looking at Karlach and thinking anything but panting

[-] roux@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago

Calling BG3 a game with boring combat even though it uses a system that has been in use for 30 god damn years.

[-] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

D&D does genuinely suck at both being an RPG system in general and also at the specific sort of dungeon crawling resource attrition game it was designed to be, and BG3 does suffer horribly for being D&D. I'd say it being 5e is even worse, but it's not like 4e was any better. 3.5e was interesting but an absolute mess, and I have limited exposure to earlier editions but what I've seen looks even worse and jankier. Like the character building is "this character is [class], number get bigger when level up, no choices, only number go up" and the combat is "you make a basic attack, because this is D&D 5e and that's what characters do they make a single attack role; magic users can make a basic attack with bigger numbers once per day, in exchange for their normal basic attacks being worse; this is a very serious and respectable system that people play for some reason."

Pathfinder is the only good version of D&D and even that still has problems from the whole "it's still D&D, fundamentally speaking" thing no matter how much 2e does to mitigate all that design tech debt and give lots of flavorful build options and things different classes can do other than D&D's bread and butter of characters either being a basic attack bot or being a worse basic attack bot that sometimes does a special attack.

Damn, imagine if instead of BG3 Larian had made a Pathfinder 2e game that had nothing to do with WotC's mid setting or bad ruleset. I vaguely remember hearing about a mod project to overhaul BG3 to Pathfinder rules since the underpinning mechanics are the basically same and Pathfinder just has better class and ability design and balancing, is that actually real or did I imagine it?

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[-] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago

Strong storytelling
Awesome combat

Skyrim

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

New Vegas

I play as Bisexual John Brown and hunt down every Caeser-ite RETVRN dipshit clad in the remains of prewar american culture

Not Woke

Clearly I have no idea wtf "woke" is

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

When Skyrim said "Simba, you are the dragon chosen one" I felt that. Can't say the same for BG3 and it's DEI chin.


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[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

Skyrim has the worst story of any game I have played

[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

The thieves guild and nightingale quest lines weren’t bad. As far the civil war storyline goes, I once played a mod that I swear must have been either written by a child or written as parody of anti-racism. Because it added dialogue options with Ulfric which were walls of text about how racism is bad and Ulfric basically goes, “huh I’d never considered that” and stops being racist.

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

The thieves guild and nightingale quest lines weren’t bad.

The gameplay sucked ass - you had to do a million generic radiant quests to even finish it lol

[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Maybe I’m just remembering it nostalgically. It’s been like a decade since I’ve played it. I feel like Skyrim is full of shit like that where they stuff radiant quests in or where the combat was bizarre looking and stilted. But I still enjoyed it at the time.

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[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

I don't think even the most die hard fallout fans would argue new vegas had good combat.

Cool loot system, but the combat felt like trying to use a rotary phone for a controller.

[-] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Witcher 3 and Skyrim both have notoriously bad mechanics, and while FONV was better than FO3 mechanically it was still panned as being the same janky not-very-good attempt at FPS combat that FO3 was. I never played nor paid attention to RDR, but Rockstar is also notoriously bad at doing combat and haven't ever really improved past early 2000s third person shooter mechanics so I'm assuming it had bad combat too.

I mean Veilguard looks janky and mid too and BG3 is just D&D and D&D is and always has been mechanically awful, but that's such a weird point to focus on: everything in the image has bad combat and for some of them that's famously just a flaw people overlook because of the game's other strengths, with the worst offenders being the older games.

Also The Witcher 3 literally has the canonically pan narrator say "the real monsters are cruel and intolerant men" repeatedly, along with a sizeable portion of the game's quests being literally "damn, all this racism and intolerance really is the real monster, isn't it?" or "damn, this rich misogynist really is the real monster, isn't he?" It is literally doing the thing I say writers with a point should do and that's have the characters face the camera and say that point over and over, and it still goes over freeze-gamers heads.

[-] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

strong story telling

Lmao look I grew up with gaming as an industry, I love games i spend more time than I should consuming gaming content

There are like 2 games in the history of the medium that I’d say are “strong” or “good” stories and not “serviceable” or “pretty decent for a video game”

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[-] Waldoz53@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

skyrim and new vegas have trash combat what is this person talking about lol. by far my least fav thing about new vegas is the combat, even though i love so many other aspects of the game. also i always found the combat in witcher 3 a little clunky

[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

The hot blue one from mass effect was nonbinary I'm pretty sure

[-] Darth_Reagan@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Some fans were having a meltdown because a recent Mass Effect product listed Liara's pronouns as she/they. Asari (the species Liara is a apart of) do not actually have gender as humans understand it and applying the label of women to them is a bit inaccurate, Liara says as much in Mass Effect 1. The way Liara describes her gender is very she/they, "I'm a girl who is not a quite girl". Most Asari we meet present as feminine, but a few present more masculine. We meet Liara's father who despite appearing outwardly as a women, refers to themselves as father of their child. For context Asari are a monosexual species who are all capable of reproduction and look like human women in most ways other than blue skin and a tentacle crest in lieu of hair. Pronoun discourse wasn't as much of a thing when Mass Effect came out, but it makes sense that Asari would have a range of gender idenities and pronouns to match despite their monosexual nature. I would not be surprised if Mass Effect 5 explores Asari gender a bit, much to the chagrin of chuds. I think Asari were intended to subvert the 'blue space babe' trope, and do in some instances, but adding more gender expression to the Asari would go along to explore that idea.

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