ADMIN UPDATE - Tank Comm Renamings (hexbear.net)

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Hey, everyone. Hope this post finds you all well! A few days ago, PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS opened a comm request thread to name the community formerly known as The Dredge Tank. Now that it's been about 4 days and the votes seem pretty steady, we're rea-

angry-place "STOP THE COUNT!!!"

top-cop "Mr. President, she's talking."

As I was saying, we're ready to call the vote. Nobody's been happy with counterpropaganda, and we've heard you loud and clear. I'm excited to announce that Slop. is now open for all the posts you'd have previously posted to The Dredge Tank.

El Chisme continues to remain the new space for posts that would have been at home in The Dunk Tank.

In case anyone's confused about this, I'm gonna give a really quick explanation so everyone's on the same page with what's going on with the Tanks. The names of The Dunk Tank and The Dredge Tank have racist origins. The moderators of those communities agreed that the names of these communities should be changed. Unfortunately, while Lemmy allows the display names of communities to be changed, it does not currently allow the actual comm names to be changed. In order to change the names of these communities, we would have to shut them down and re-open new comms under new names. The mods of the dunk tank and dredge tank requested the name c/gossip. While there are some legitimate arguments being made relating to misogynistic societal perceptions of that word, the mods include women and enbies who disagree and specifically requested this name. I feel that this situation parallels the initial pushback that was experienced with disabled in which users voiced concerns that this name could be ableist, but the moderators of that community are themselves disabled and specifically requested that comm name, verbatim. Along with this name change, the mods felt that slightly expanding the scope of the community and simultaneously lowering the bar for the previous Rule 8 would allow users to post about more minor public figures as well as more major ones. This was seen as an expansion of the community's role, allowing posts to the new Dredge Tank replacement (counterpropaganda) to become a little more focused. We communicated this poorly, but the intention was to have users offer a sentence or two countering the reactionary take shown in the screenshot. Given how things spiraled from there, we've taken a step back from changing any of the rules during the switchover from The Dredge tank to Slop. We're trying to take time to let everyone breathe without changing too many things too quickly, but we also want to actually make sure people can get back to posting. Hopefully you're all okay with this pacing, lemme know below.

EDIT: thanks to @niph@hexbear.net for pointing out that this post didn't include the descriptions of the comms.

Where am I supposed to post...?

Slop is for what the old dredge_tank was like. Roast anonymous reactionaries to your heart's content!

Gossip for an informal discussion regarding people with power / notable / tools of power

Counterprop for a formalized discussion regarding reactionary people no matter how powerful/notable.

In upcoming admin updates:

I'll post some analysis of mistakes and missteps that were made in recent days, including some of the context that led up to those errors.
I'll offer a clearer and more complete explanation and description of the ongoing site culture issues that have been previously mentioned. These were poorly communicated before, but I'll do my best to explain both the issues at hand as well as the importance of dealing with them.

The last few days have been really confusing and frustrating for a lot of people and a lot has happened. This is not an appropriate place to reopen, re-litigate, or rehash the struggle session. I will not be debating either the struggle session or the subjects of the upcoming admin update posts here. Please refrain from doing so as well.

trump-feed "Folks, we're feeding the fish their slop, they're tremendously hungry, incredibly famished. And look: I get to feed them. They say: Mr President, please feed the koi fish, its din din time, and it is! I get to do the little shaka-shaka with the can, and they're happy, they're eating -they're eating- out of the palm of my hand, and they're getting so big and so strong. Look at all these koi fish! I bet they won't have any issues finding -finding- a special someone. And it's wonderful, it's great. Greydon Carter could never be a tremendously effective keeper of fish. His party is not so hot, and all of his betta fishes are dying! But Lyudmila's letting me feed them, and I'm doing a tremendously great job, and a looot better than what Sleepy Joe would do!"

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[-] REgon@hexbear.net 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Had about an hour before I pack up all my things, and wanted to check in to see what's going on.

Honestly I just gotta say

edit: and please read some

community theory

"The ladder of citizien participation"

I'm not gonna write a lot about it, the text is short and written for the layperson. It's a neat tool for valuating how well your community planning actually integrates the community. It's pretty sad a group of alleged leftists screech at the suggestion we should do better than step: 1 "Manipulation". Most public projects in the US does better than that. Are you telling me you think the US state is better at working with communities than you are? SAD.

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[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 26 points 2 weeks ago

SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP

speech-l

biggus-piggus

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[-] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Why Gossip instead of the dunk tank?

Because there was ample evidence of the dunk tank, as a term, being an abhorrently racist term that killed people, whereas gossip is a tool that has been vital to marginalized communities demonized by the patriarchy over time. The site has recently committed to addressing the issue of misogyny on the site and lemmy at large. The moderators of the gossip community are dedicated to reclaiming Gossip as a means by which a group of marginalized people can commiserate over those that wield the power which oppresses them or are willing tools of it.

The scholar Silvia Federici, in her Feminist and Marxist interpretation of the Witch Hunts of the early modern period in Europe, analyses how the term gossip was used as a misogynist, oppressive tool against women. Federici recounts that by the sixteenth century in modern England, gossip, a term that had been commonly used during the Middle Ages to indicate a close female friend, turned into a denigrating term signifying idle talk.

During the Middle Ages, sociality among women prevailed, most activities were performed collectively, and a tight-knit community emerged. In the sixteenth century, with the destruction of the guilds, industrialisation, the emergence of capitalism, and, coincidentally (or not so coincidentally) the violent Witch Hunts, women started to be excluded from society leading to a feminisation of poverty.

The Witch Hunts demonised most interactions amongst women. Women were surveilled, marginalised and feared. Friendships amongst women became an object of suspicion, denounced, and understood as subversive. Women were portrayed as scolds, too domineering of their husbands, witches, and worse… Gossipers! And thus, the harmless stereotype of women as innate gossipers emerged.

I use the word harmless sarcastically for many reasons. An obvious one is that a torture instrument was designed with the sole intention of punishing those women involved in gossiping.
description of torture
This instrument called the scold’s/witch’s/gossip bridle was an iron muzzle that locked onto the women’s head and mouth, pressing their tongue down to prevent them from speaking.
Furthermore, the term gossip has been used to not only destroy traditional female practices, collective relations and systems of knowledge but also erode women’s rights and devalue women’s labour. Today, it continues to be used to reinforce the gender binary, infantilise certain actors, and construct certain conversations as worthless.

Gossip is a tool used by women and other marginalised people to share information that other systems often won’t consider. Gossip keeps our communities together, it keeps us safe, it equips us with important knowledge. The personal is political. Our intimacies are political. To gossip is a subversive act, an anti-capitalist act, and a feminist act. Let’s reclaim this act, get together and gossip! After all, what do we have to lose? We are all witches in their eyes anyway.

Gossip as a gendered term

Origin of Gossip

History of Gossip

Evolution of Gossip

[-] StillNoLeftLeft@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I will admit that I did not know all this about the history of the word gossip.

But while I respect the goal of reclaiming terms in general, as a woman I really dislike the name nonetheless. It might be my own internalized stuff, but having spent a lifetime listening to gossiping being ridiculed and having had to actively distance mysels from it to be taken seriously, I feel like if this reclaiming was to be done, it should be done by women only first.

Also gossiping and the dunk tank just vibe very differently for me. Gossiping isn't nearly always an act of condemnation, it is often just social knowledge transfer and socializing. The tank was crearly something very different. If gossip is most often understood as an activity that women do then making a place like the tank be gossip makes gossip look bad, I hope this makes sense.

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[-] Hestia@hexbear.net 24 points 2 weeks ago

I think a gossip comm should be used to verify rumors and information that people are uncertain of. I think having it as a comm is important, and just treating it as a replacement for dunk tank does a disservice to what role it could serve, while inaccurately describing the niche it's trying to fill.

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[-] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'll say with the revelation that changing the name of an existing sub essentially gives it a display name, I think it'd be funny to change the name of the slop comm constantly.

Or like, every week or two at least.

[-] Lyudmila@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago

Changing the display name on c/slop every week to different pig slop ingredients.

Expired dairy products & canola meal

Millet, bugs, & defective skittles

Corn.

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[-] miz@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

I don't know shit about the drama by intention but I want to express thanks for the people who volunteer to maintain the only space in my life not permeated by capitalism. thank you for your service et cetera

[-] Hestia@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

I support the name changes, however I think gossip should be a separate and new comm.

The replacements in my opinion should be called slop for random nobodies saying stupid shit, and the Barbara Pit for people who are well known and have some semblance of power.

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[-] Speaker@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

Now that this is over, I can finally find out how the election shook out.

[-] Lyudmila@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago

I'm actually still in line. How's it looking, is Bernie winning?

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[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

I always thought slop, in the context of our community, was synonymous with (often low effort, or at least easy to consume) media treats, such as podcasts and capeshit movies.

Not raising an objection tho, for the record.

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[-] CredibleBattery@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

SLOP! SLOP! SLOP! SLOP! SLOP! SLOP!

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[-] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

yummy

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