Nothing worse to people on Lemmy than another person with a SLIGHTLY different world view.
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A different worldview? In THIS economy??
To be clear, I believe vegan/vegetarian is the morally correct position even though I do eat meat. My point is that if we worked together we could cause more good in the world than we do by fighting.
Getting the average omnivore down to the recommended 6-8 ounces of meat per day would make a tremendous difference on its own. I really didn’t know how much excess protein I was consuming until I made some vegan and vegetarian friends.
Woah 200g of meat a day is well sufficient... That is basically my max amount since I pretty much only have meat at dinner and that's more than a chicken breast which is the most amount of meat I'd consume at one time. I do consume quite a bit of dairy though (used to be cheese, but now for dieting reasons it's quark yogurts, milk, etc) and a few eggs, need that protein.
But the rest is all legumes, veggies, nuts, cereals, good carbs, etc. I'd struggle to eat more meat than that even when I didn't give a shit about my diet I think, but now that I do I also cut out all the non lean stuff so that does play a role.
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“Our adversaries are the people on the other side of the aisle. Our enemies are right here”
Same. People literally can not comprehend that I accept whole heartedly that I believe many of the things that I do and continue to do to be immoral.
Yeah, maybe I love meat too much and I'm too weak. That has absolutely nothing to do with how I establish my moral compass.
I'd like to be a truely good person, but I'll be goddamned if the way I do that is lowering the bar to where I already stand.
People who try to live a wholly moral life end up like Doug Fawcett
The vegan communities, in my experience, are pretty spiky. Even amongst vegans there's a huge rift, like they're competing on whose version is most ethical. It's turned me off actually interacting with them as I find my own balance of reducing suffering into this world.
I think it's a general issue of any community that's organized around a belief and/or got ousted by society for too long I guess. Of course there'll always be people who are like this from the beginning, perhaps due to trauma, bad upbringing, bad education or whatever.
Gotta imagine a militant vegan bible-belt Linux FOSS-Bro… oh my god…
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I'd love to reduce my regular meat intake to zero when my finances stabilize.
Isn't or Aren't vegetables cheaper than meat?
Edit I failed grammar 🤪
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Calorie for calorie, no.
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Vegetables aren't the totality of my diet. As it stands now, vegan or vegetarian replacements for meat are more expensive than actual meat.
The replacemets yes. But vegetarian food is so much more than just replacing meat. It's cooking completely different meals that taste great without anything meat related. And that absolutely is cheaper that eating meat.
But vegetarian food is so much more than just replacing meat.
Sorry, I'm not in the market for a new faith.
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There are valid reasons for veganism, but it's folderol to claim it's absolutely cheaper. For one example, sardines are fished sustainably and are very low in mercury, both because they're basically ocean mice. They're also all but impossible to nutritionally outperform for the price.
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Depends on where you live, but sometimes tofu and tvp can be pretty cheap, plus there's always lentils in a pinch that's possibly some of the cheapest proteins in any given store.
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I'm a species-specific eater. I don't eat beef or pork because I like pigs and cows they are adorable and I wish them all the best.
I do eat lamb, because sheep are idiots and I got kicked by one as a child. For similar reason, I would also eat horse if it was commercially available.
Chickens would eat me if our sizes were reversed so they are fair game too. If you didn't want to get farmed you shoulda stayed T-Rex sized.
I eat mushrooms, but I am a little apprehensive about it because I know they are smarter than humans
I was about to disagree with you, but then I realized that some humans are certainly dumber than a mushroom
Some? Around a third I would say.
I've heard goats are like mushrooms 👍
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The rich don't even have to lift a finger to divide the left.
And then, to perfectly demonstrate your point: 90% of this comments section!
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That's called activism purism, I call it activism puritanism. It's, again, a very conservative way of being an activist but somehow appears in leftist groups. But I can't shake the fact that there's limits, anything that feels like a personal choice but impact hugely others, like vaccination.
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Vegan here, bottom left is a very small but sometimes very loud minority.
Top left is kinda wrong because veganism is a moral position. You wouldn't say „I personally don't like killing people but I do respect your religious tradition of human sacrifice“ (being hyperbolic to hammer home the point).
Mostly, a vegan diet is even cheaper than an omnivorous diet and where that might not be the case there's A.) something completely wrong with the agricultural economy and B.) most vegans would agree that these problems need to be solved.
(and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there some political quafaffel about egg prices being too high in the US? (half joke here))
@AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee I see the point you're trying to make (and explained in your other comment) but this is an unfair misrepresentation of vegans. I'm sure this is your perception, but it seems your perception is warped and ill informed by said small but loud minority of vegans and also other, usually intentional misrepresentation of vegans by other media.
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The loud minority is people screaming around that people should rather starve before eating animals. Most vegans usually keep to themselves and if a discussion comes to the topic of veganism explain their point like the normal people they are.
Isn't it a little weird to call vegans who say eating meat is murder a "loud minority", and then explaining why you cannot be a vegan without saying that eating meat is murder (hyperbole or not)?
Is there something in your comment I'm missing, or is this supposed to be some self-aware joke?
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You wouldn’t say „I personally don’t like killing people but I do respect your religious tradition of human sacrifice“
In most cultures killing people is significantly worse than killing animals, so this comparison doesn't really make sense.
The point I'm trying to make is that if vegans and non vegans worked together we could lower the amount of meat we eat and reduce the suffering of animals, even if it's not the perfect goal of zero animal product consumption. And that's something we should all want to work towards.
In most cultures killing people is significantly worse than killing animals, so this comparison doesn't really make sense.
It makes sense from a vegan's perspective because the whole reason we're vegan is that in our opinion, animals do have (morally) or should have (legally) the same rights to live and not be abused and exploited as humans do.
And again, the point of my comment is not criticizing your point but criticizing the way you try to bring it across by misrepresenting a few hardcore militant vegans as being the norm. Most vegans meanwhile applaud people who want to cut their consumption of animal products and offer them help.
Top left is kinda wrong because veganism is a moral position.
You don't see irony here?
You're just said in essence that vegans have a moral high ground in comparison to meat eaters. That's precisely what bottom left represents.
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I've never, not even once, seen another vegan who has argued that a person should starve if they have no other choice but to eat animal products.
Leftist is when vegan
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