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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 95 points 1 week ago (4 children)

https://www.verbatim.com.au/products/m-disc-bdxl-100gb/

100 GB, and a lifespan of hundreds of years, it's hard to top that.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago

Mine usually have the life span of 1 toddler encounter

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

500gb for ~100 US dollars is not bad* (just saw it is AU). I don't think I'd ever need something quite so long lasting and will we even watch or interact with media the same way in like 40 years? Movies and screens may get phased out for holo or something no ones even dreamed of yet.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 29 points 1 week ago (20 children)

If the burner is cheap enough, or you can borrow one, backing up family photos in a way that will be viewable in hundreds of years time would be worth it to me.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I would not even be confident that the disc would be readable in 50 years' time except by certain archivists or hobbyists.

There are so many hours of music people wrote on Amigas or Atari STs that are just floating around out there on floppy discs that are still readable, but only by a very small number of people, so they will never be heard again, and it's been only 30 years.

Another example- right now I have family movies my parents took back in the 60s on Super-8 films. Super-8 isn't exactly impossible to play, but why would I get a Super-8 projector and a screen just to watch those even though they're watchable? That would be both cost- and space-prohibitive. Thankfully, I had them digitized a long time ago.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is why you add a disc reader and a laptop, that can run directly from a power brick without a battery installed, in the safe. This way the next generations have a way to read it and transfer it to modern media.

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[–] overload@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not sure where you're from, but that website link is Australian and $150 AUD is about $94 USD at the moment.

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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

~~If only they weren't so expensive.~~

Edit: OK not terrible for AU dollars. Missed that.

But still, a 20TB backup would be $4K USD. Too hefty compared to even redundant magnetic storage.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Nothing stops people from mix matching backup media.

If I lose the series I downloaded versus my family photos, not the same impact.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The fuck are you backing up that you have 20tb of?

[–] mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Also I feel like at that point you might as well go tape rather than fiddle around with 40 Blu-rays.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I only have an estimated 96 remaining years on this planet. Why would I care about my data after that?

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

We regularly look at photographs taken at the dawn of photography, and read documents created hundreds or even thousands of years ago.

There is a use case for this tech.

[–] Armand1@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Verbatim is doing more than just keeping the formats on life support – it also unveiled new hardware at CES 2025. Its Slimline Blu-ray Writer lets you back up 4K video to Ultra HD Blu-ray and even comes bundled with antiquated Nero disc burning software.

This is the important part imo, given that LG and Sony both pulled out of the USB Blu-ray reader-writer market

https://www.verbatim-europe.com/en/blu-ray-writers/products/external-slimline-blu-ray-writer-43890

Means we'll be able to rip Blu-ray's into the future. At least, that's what I hope. Need to check there are cracks for these writers.

EDIT: Won't link to it here, but many Verbatim writers, UHD and otherwise, use Pioneer hardware internally and are therefore crackable.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What's the benefit of cracking the drive?

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably that you can backup your own media

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's a bd writer, it can backup my media out of the box.

Edit: oh, I see. You mean "backup". Lol gotcha. Yeah, cracking would be needed for that.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago
[–] philpo@feddit.org 33 points 1 week ago (7 children)

M-Disc/Archive Blue ray discs are currently pretty much unrivaled if one needs WORM(write once read many) storage for important data.

Anything cloud is an issue in that regards, while a few options exist that somewhat imitate WORM to comply with regulations they are often expensive, harder to maintain and, if long term storage is required, prohibitivly expensive.

The next option, Tandberg RDX needs a far less popular writer, it's WORM media is far more expensive, far more sensitive towards exterior influences and it's much harder to make sure you will be able to read the data in 20 years.

LTO is nice, the tapes are somewhat cheap but the drives are extremely expensive - far to expensive for smaller businesses or consumers.

(And please for the love of god, normal exterior HDs,etc. are NOT backup media for long term storage, especially not WORM- which is important in times of ransomware attacks)

So in the end verbatim would be an absolute idiot to destroy this market. I work with a lot of smaller healthcare facilities and they all exclusively work with them - they routinely burn their data on a M-Disc that is then stored in a secure location, as they all need to provide their patient records for at least 10, mostly for 15, in some cases for 30 or more years. The doctors can literally go to jail if they do not comply with that.(And getting hacked or your building burning down is not an excuse)

As a CEO of a small company we also need to retain certain tax and accounting data for 10 years, some for 20 years. And even as a individual I have some stuff I legally must retain for 10 years.

And of course photos of important life events and some documents (insurance, mortgage) are also something I don't want to loose if the house burns down. Therefore the important stuff gets burned to a M-Disc three times a year and then locked into a bank vault quite a bit away.

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[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 week ago

I have a stack of Verbatim blanks I bought years ago just in case they ever stopped being sold; I’ve actually used quite a few to create daisy disks and audio CDs.

[–] Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

I still burn discs every now and then. Definitely glad to see I don't have to panic buy stockpiles of them now.

[–] Glitchvid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately I don't think Verbatim manufactures any quad-layer discs, so Sony was the only real option for 128GB disks.

Furthermore, M-Disc is still very pricey per-GB, and their non M-Disc BD disks aren't priced that much better. I've also recently got a spindle of Verbatim BDXLs that every single one would fail to either write or read at the layer transitions, so having a single option here is already proving to be painful.

[–] downhomechunk@midwest.social 5 points 1 week ago

Disc failure is the verbatim I remember, but I'm glad they're still around. My 2008 car has a 6 disc CD changer, and I have a few retro PCs which rely on CDs too. Yes, I know I can get adapters for CF cards and the like, but doing things the old way is the whole point.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Who is going to keep making Minidiscs though?

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Can someone tell me, why weren't optical discs (mechanically, ergonomically) designed similarly to floppies? In a protective envelope with a window.

Sony PSP discs had something like that. More expensive and impractical from looks, the window part was always open and cleaning it from dirt is inconvenient if untouched for long. But then the cover for that window wouldn't break off, and the looks solve the problem of "looking obsolete" that arises with clueless baboon crowds. Sony engineering back then somehow evokes feelings in me.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Og CDs came in a protective case like that, as did some large optical discs. But I guess it was just cumbersome and needlessly expensive to make the hardware?

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] tiramichu@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Turned out that scratches can easily be avoided if you are careful, and - more importantly - a few scratches won't prevent the disc being read, thanks to the error correction.

Back in the day I remember using one of those AOL internet sign-up junk discs as a drinks coaster, for several years. As you'd expect from grinding around on my desk it was filthy and scratched to total hell, never mind the thermal stress of hundreds of hot tea mugs being sat on it. I'd never seen a CD looking so bad.

One day out of curiosity I decided to wipe it off and put it in the PC to see what would happen. I was genuinely surprised when the AOL splash popped up (and also a little disgusted because I had no love for AOL and was hoping I'd killed it)

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[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

CD-ROM discs came in caddies early on. They weren't popular with consumers I would guess. MiniDiscs were designed with a protective caddie.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd guess because they already had a protective layer in the plastic they're made from. At least enough to protect during actual use, and not infants scattering them all over the floor.

I can't say I've ever lost a disc to physical damage.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

MicroDisc also was like a floppy.

And IIRC, that format was also a Sony thing. They were always small tho, and had less capacity.

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[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 8 points 1 week ago

So we should still buy all the MD and MiniDV tape we can get our hands on though

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Verbatim for the win

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Work to preserve physical media across all your entertainment. You give away your leverage as a consumer with every stream and digital "purchase" (because of course you legally own nothing digital from these companies, you lease the right to access them, until that company decides you no longer get that access, see Sony)

[–] dan69@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I did get a ~128 micro sdxc (micro center branded) for free, so, im kinda on the fence, but wont mind rocking a cd player again!

[–] Exec@pawb.social 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

~128 micro sdxc (micro center branded) for free

How bad is it, Class 4 perhaps?

[–] abs_mess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

SDs are cheap these days, 128 class 10 for 9$. Just don't buy them for OS level writes, logging is ok.

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[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

I've had good luck with their stuff so I'm pleased

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