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Why you should know: The ‘a’ vs ‘an’ conundrum is not about what letter actually begins the word, but instead about how the sound of the word starts.

For example, the ‘h’ in ‘hour’ is silent, so you would say ‘an hour’ and not ‘a hour’. A trickier example is Ukraine: because the ‘U’ is pronounced as ‘You’, and in this case the ‘y’ is a consonant, you would say “a Ukraine” and not “an Ukraine”.

Tip: when in doubt, sound it out(loud).

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 102 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Some modern English words have changed because the leading "n" from the noun migrated over to the article which precedes it, or from the article to the noun.

"Apron" was originally napron, "a napron". "Nickname" was originally ekename (with the first part coming from the same root as "eke", as in "eke out a living"). "An ekename" became "a nekename" and then "a nickname".

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 65 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’ll chain on: This is why the english language calls the citrus fruit “Orange,” in a round-about way.

The Persians named them Narangs when they acquired them from Asia, which the Spanish turned into “naranja.” But when they crossed the channel “a naranja” became “an aranja” which eventually became “an orange.”

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's happened in french and Italian too then, "une orange" and "un'arancia". Wild.

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[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 week ago

just wait 'til you see what they did with "el lagarto"

[–] lysol@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Ha, that's really interesting. Swedish has an interesting example of this as well.

Plural you ("y'all", basically) used to be "i", but because of an archaic inflection rule, there were often an "n" at the end of a word before "i" (like, "när kommen i?"; "when are y'all coming?"). Because of this, "i" eventually turned into "ni" since the n of the previous word merged with i.

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[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] robolemmy@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Truly an historic effort by OP

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hope you get loose vowels.

(/j)

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[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

An Herculean effort, even.

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it's been an honor serving with you

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

it's been ~~an~~ a honor serving with you

FTFY

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[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It is very basic stuff tho, anyone who learned enough english to read this post would've already been taught this. Except for native speakers maybe?

[–] reattach@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Carefully read the comment you're replying to

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[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This is also true for initialisms, which are acronyms in which each letter is pronounced individually.

"A NASA project" would not become "an NASA project" because nobody pronounces each individual letter of NASA, they just say it as one word.

"An FBI agent" would always be correct, and "a FBI agent" would always be incorrect, because FBI is never pronounced as a word, and each letter is pronounced individually.

[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

NASA vs NSA makes this more apparent too. For example:

A NASA investigation

vs

An NSA investigation

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wait, you mean people don't call the FBI the fuhbby!?

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

You make a valid point. One initialism/acronym I can think of that can go both ways is SQL (Standard Query Language). You can either pronounce it as Sequel (thus “a sequel query”), or as individual letters (“an S.Q.L. query”).

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[–] remon@ani.social 24 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Really, we're covering basic grammar now?

[–] uraniumcovid@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

not everyone (thankfully) are american or british.

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[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The vowel sound rule (or a related one) is also used for which vowel sound goes at the end of the definite article "the", that is, the sound the 'e' makes.

Usually the last vowel sound of "the" is a schwa, arguably the most common vowel sound in English, but before another vowel sound, it becomes "ee", or what other European languages might write "i".

There might even be an intrusive y (or j as used in Norse and Germanic languages) depending on the speaker. i.e. "The apple" may well be pronounced "thi(y)apple", and a fellow native speaker wouldn't notice. "The ball" has the usual schwa. As does "the usual schwa" for that matter.

[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I barely understood this but I've also tried to explain this very thing. I believe it was actually on a post about the pronunciation of 'Data' because I felt there were differences to each but could not explain why for the life of me.

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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is the general rule, but you'll run into problems with words that are pronounced differently with different dialects.

Example:

A herb / An herb

I'd say 'an herb' because where I'm from, the h is silent.

But there are many places where it isn't silent.

A bunch of other comments are using 'history' of an example of this... but I've not heard of a dialect where the h in history is silent.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That’s not a problem at all. Your example proves the rule: it’s about how the first letter sounds, not what the first letter is.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Agreed, it does prove the rule.

...but that doesn't change what I said.

If you're interacting soley through text, you may get into a/an arguments with people who don't know that different dialects pronounce the same words differently.

I didn't say 'this disproves the rule.'

[–] OopsOverbombing@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Th'nk ofa som uk accents, lack'n the aytch, comin' out 'istory & tha like

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[–] EfreetSK@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] Mozingo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Also interesting, in Ukrainian, the U is pronounced "oo", so if we said it the way they did, it would be "an Ukraine".

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

~~Don’t forget that ‘h’ is an exception and counts as a vowel: “a hat”~~

edit literally i am wrong about this why did i write that

[–] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Give me an hour and I'm sure I could find a counter-example

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[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why would you use Ukraine as the example word instead of uniform?

I'm pretty sure I've heard "the Ukraine" been pronounced both ways often enough.

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

US ambassador William Taylor said that using "the Ukraine" implies disregard for Ukrainian sovereignty.[25] The official Ukrainian position is that "the Ukraine" is both grammatically and politically incorrect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine#%3A%7E%3Atext=US+ambassador+William+Taylor+said%2Cboth+grammatically+and+politically+incorrect.

[–] folekaule@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You can't use any article in front of Ukraine. Not even "the". Just like it's "India", not a/an/the India. It is Britain, but it is also The United Kingdom. For India, you can use The Republic of India.

A good example for your case can be union. It is a union, not an union, because union starts with the sound yu.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Should've been "A Ukrainian" probably.

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[–] match@pawb.social 6 points 1 week ago

a Ukraine war would be greatly destabilizing for a European peace

[–] Klnsfw@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The problem is not the rule, but that the many exceptions apply to the written word, whereas they are based on phonological reasons and the same letter can have several pronunciations in English.

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