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[–] nothingcorporate@lemmy.today 36 points 1 week ago (5 children)
[–] lostbit@feddit.nl 6 points 1 week ago
[–] stray@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago

Seeing Proton on the list so many times got me thinking. We let Google take over all of our services, and then they got worse and worse. Is there some system in place to stop Proton enshittifying once they've taken over the internet? Especially in light of the CEO apparently being an asswad.

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[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

For the love of all gods, stop recommending Proton, it's run by a fascist Trump-loving cryptoscammer that hates open standards even more than Silicon Valley tech-bros. You might as well use American companies at that point.

[–] accideath@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (6 children)

That’s strong accusations and the first I’m hearing of that. Do you have a source? Because the only controversy I know of is that their CEO praised Trump’s pick for attorney general for the antitrust division a bit too enthusiastically. Which is not a stellar look but that does not make him a „fascist Trump-loving cryptoscammer that hates open standards.“

[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The only place people are throwing up the whole Proton / Trump controversy is Reddit and Lemmy. Lemmy is particularly worse. As bad as the endless scrolling of Linux praise and Windows bashing.

There's an article somewhere where someone did a deep dive and ultimately concluded that the Protons CEO views do not coincide with that of Trump or his party.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There’s an article somewhere where someone did a deep dive and ultimately concluded that the Protons CEO views do not coincide with that of Trump or his party.

Would you have that link by any chance? That would be neat to use as a counter argument.

[–] ezpz@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am assuming he means this post from the community you linked.

https://feddit.uk/post/24065032

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Thanks!

The top comment on that thread seems to counter the arguments quite extensively

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah completely omitting Slater's work lobbying on behalf of big tech like Google and Facebook to increase data mining when the whole defense hinged on that she'd be good for little tech made the medium article seem more like it was from a corporate PR stream. So intentionally deceiving playing up identity politics or not doing its due diligence what a quick wikipedia and Google search of the person Yen glazed over would reveal.

Her past is too questionable for a privacy company to endorse. But, move from Google to proton is still an improvement at the end of the day with its country of origin being its strength despite whatever the founder ceo may think.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/09/lawmakers-must-not-let-internet-association-weaken-california-consumer-privacy-act

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

he's not a hitler-loving Nazi he just really likes that Goebbels dude.

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[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

AFAIK HERE WeGo is an European maps app too.

[–] SrMono@feddit.org 12 points 1 week ago

These sharepics are simply not exhaustive. Having example alternatives and then pointing to one of three comparison websites, might be a better approach. But this would also be more convoluted.

[–] jagermo@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago

+1, great alternative to gmaps, including traffic and public transport

[–] enemenemu@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That doesn't use osm. Imo, it is just not as good

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Missing traffic updates for smaller countries is an issue with osm

[–] zarlin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

OsmAnd is a great map alternative as well, works great for any type of navigation

[–] hinterlufer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

(there's the open source free full version on F-Droid)

[–] vegantomato@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Whether an app/service is EU based should not always be a deciding factor when determining if it should be recommended.

Signal is a great example of that. It is based in the US, but surpasses other mobile messaging apps in terms of privacy and convenience. It is a US-based app you should recommend.

So let's be nuanced and take into account that EU-based products or services may not always be the best choice, even with regards to empowering European citizens. In many cases, you will find that European states seek to disempower their citizens through the use of surveillance. So it is pretty ironic when a team of Americans are empowering you while your own government seeks to take that power away (Chat Control and the likes) to further subjugate you.

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[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

These lists are consistently bad. To the extent I'm beginning to think it's intentional so people don't like the alternatives and go back to the worst.

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] Fontasia@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago

!selfhosted@lemmy.world

It does feel daunting to start, but the community is there to help 😊

[–] felykiosa@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago (5 children)

TIL that Bitwarden is an US company. I love the product but thats a risk

[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 10 points 1 week ago

It's also self-hostable and FOSS.

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is there a concern there is going to be a tech trade war?

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

You never know

[–] sandtoffel@feddit.nl 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What's the risk? That they would shut down operations randomly in the EU?

[–] Nukul4r@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago

That they are forced to implement a backdoor for US authorities.

[–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Switched to proton pass free from paid bitwarden and gotta say, its just better on so many fronts.

[–] Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago

I switched from paid Proton Pass to free selfhosted Bitwarden and it's so much better (ok I combined it with a lite anonaddy account).

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 1 week ago

at least you can self-host

[–] mazot@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That’s how i came and register from reddit just like 5 mins ago and this is my first ever comment.

[–] Psyduck@feddit.org 9 points 1 week ago

SAME ! ~(つˆ0ˆ)つ。☆

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Most of Session's developers are Australian.

They moved their product to Switzerland because the Australian government started raiding them.

They seem to be a cool bunch but for some reason don't want to implement some wanted privacy features.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago

It took me a while to understand why some apps/services had a + on top

[–] EfreetSK@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Mapy.cz is an absolute must for hiking in Czechia and Slovakia, Google maps isn't even close. Not sure how the situation is in other countries though

Curently trying it as my daily driver and it does pretty good job too

[–] Snoezelpoes@feddit.nl 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Mapy is great for hiking outside of Czechia and Slovakia, I use it a lot in the Netherlands! I had to stop using the navigation tough because I ran into some issues with it.

[–] fristislurper@feddit.nl 4 points 1 week ago

Outside of Czechia mapy just uses openstreetmap data, that is why it works so well for hiking

[–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I can vouch for the Kdrive/Kmail from infomaniak. Great service for the price, the switch was almost seamless (with gmail forwarding to my @ik.me mail)

[–] loics2@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

Wtf don't recommend BeReal! They've been bought by Voodoo, a shady company trying everything they can to bypass Android/iOS privacy protection

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I thought money to Lemmy (not your instance but the founders) went to a US organisation?

It's still federated so I guess it doesn't really matter much, but still...

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 8 points 1 week ago

The two main Lemmy devs are European. One of the feddit.uk Admins is also now part of the team.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

They get funds from the EU, so I don't think it's a US organization

[–] MyFairJulia@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Magic Earth, unlike Google Maps, not only offers you to show the known speed limits. It shows you radar traps.

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