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In July, Buma sent the Senate Judiciary Committee a 22-page statement full of eye-popping allegations, and the document leaked and was first reported last month by Insider (after a conservative blogger had posted it online). According to Buma’s account, Giuliani was used as an asset by a Ukrainian oligarch tied to Russian intelligence and other Russian operatives for a disinformation operation that aimed to discredit Joe Biden and boost Trump in the 2020 presidential race. Moreover, Buma says he was the target of retaliation within the bureau for digging into this.

Buma’s statement highlights Giuliani’s relationship with Pavel Fuks, a wealthy Ukrainian developer, who in 2017 hired Giuliani and paid him $300,000. Fuks once told the New York Times that he had retained Giuliani to lobby in the United States for the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, where Fuks then lived. Giuliani has denied that he was paid to lobby for Kharkiv, insisting he only provided advice regarding security to the city. And Fuks has changed his tune. Through a spokesperson, he told Mother Jones that Giuliani’s work was limited to advising the city.

In his statement, Buma says that the FBI assessed Fuks to be a “co-opted asset” of Russian intelligence services, meaning a person who Russian intelligence used to advance its goals. Buma’s complaint does not name a specific Russian intelligence agency, but a person who spoke to agents involved in this investigation says that the FBI believes Fuks worked for the FSB, the successor to KGB. All this raises the possibility that Giuliani, a former Republican presidential candidate who became a close adviser to Trump, received a large payment directly from a Russian asset.

Buma alleges that Fuks has carried out various tasks for Russian spies, including laundering money for them. Fuks also reportedly paid locals to spray-paint swastikas around Kharkiv in the weeks before Russia’s invasion. Buma says Fuks did so to bolster Vladmir Putin’s claim that the invasion aimed to achieve the “de-Nazification of Ukraine.”

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[-] hogunner@lemmy.world 122 points 1 year ago

Nice to get some high level confirmation but this doesn’t come as a surprise to anyone who’s been paying close attention to Ghouliani for the last 10-20 years. Dude has always been corrupt and doing the bidding of one mobster or another.

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It was not one mobster or another. He made his name prosecuting the Italian mob so that the Russians could move into NYC.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 95 points 1 year ago

Lol. The entire Republican Party is on the Russian payroll, even if they don’t know it.

[-] Slwh47696@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

I would be much more surprised if Trump and Co. weren't all Russian assets

Pretty wild how all these Republicans hated Russia more than anything else up until the last few years, and now they suddenly love Russia

[-] Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago

Remember when the Democratic Party's emails were hacked and it was all over the news? Remember when the same thing happened to the Republic Party emails? Except that there was much less press attention...

I wonder why so many Republicans are publicly pro Russia now.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Member when don Jr just said we get all the money we need from Russia?

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pretty wild how all these Republicans hated Russia more than anything else up until the last few years, and now they suddenly love Russia

They hated specifically the Soviet Union, and did so because it was communist. Now that it's gone and Russia is a kleptocratic oligarchy instead, they love it. Republicans admire Russia because it is everything they want the US to be.

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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, when it comes to republicans, the thing they hate most is usually who they are: Russians, gays, child molesters. You get the point.

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[-] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 87 points 1 year ago

Trump and Giuliani are the high watermark tests. If they don’t spend the rest of their lives in prison cells for committing treason at the highest levels, that’s a clear cut signal that certain people can get away with anything, and that American justice has failed.

[-] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

“certain rich people” or just “rich people”?

[-] PoopingCough@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

There is one thing rich people never get away with, and that's stealing from other rich people.

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[-] theodewere@kbin.social 58 points 1 year ago

before Rudi was mayor, he was helping clean up the Italian mafia in NYC.. the Russian mafia filled a bunch of the vacuum left behind, and Rudi and the Russians have been friends ever since for some reason..

[-] n0m4n@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

It had been reported that the Russian mafia were feeding information to Giuliani on the Italian mob. It was how Guiliani was able to make his cases, build his reputation to become "America's mayor", AND also compromised him to become a Russian asset. The story was reported a long while ago, and I don't remember which journalist(s) broke the story or who they wrote for, nor their reliability, anymore, but recall them as very highly rated as accurate in their facts.

[-] RunningInRVA@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Appreciate that but gonna need some facts to support that one. If nobody is reporting it (other than you) then it is hard to believe, as much as I would like to.

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[-] Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wow. He was considered courageous for this at the time. TIL.

[-] detalferous@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

I suspect this is exactly what's going on.

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[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 55 points 1 year ago

Wow. Compromising giuliani must have been hard. I mean you need a bottle of vodka and a girl. Where are you going to find that?

Borat compromised him FFS

[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Well Borat was with Scotch, so it is a little more expensive than what you describe.

[-] Techmaster@lemm.ee 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I can't wait to find out that Trump and all his co-conspirators were all involved in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I just have this feeling that they have been involved in planning the whole thing all along, and the plan was for Trump to win a second term so he could allow it to happen or even deploy our military to help Russia. He was literally impeached for extorting Zelenakyy and refusing to send him military aid.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Shitcunt traitor republican. Like 99% of them.

[-] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago

Now, for some quotes not included in the post above:

Ukraine has sanctioned Fuks, and it is reportedly investigating him for fraud and tax evasion. Fuks now lives in London, according to recent media reports.

Nice!

In his statement, Buma says that he developed suspicions that Giuliani, through his relationship with Fuks, was “compromised by the RIS,” meaning the Russian Intelligence Services. That is a striking claim—an allegation that Russian spies may have obtained influence over a top adviser to the US president.

But I guess we all suspected as much. It's still shocking to see it.

Buma reveals in his statement that he also probed whether Russian operatives or assets were involved in a 2020 Giuliani effort to make a film about Hunter Biden’s business activities in Ukraine and elsewhere.

Oh, no. Let's find out how that went, shall we?

The anti-Biden film was to include commentary from Konstantin Kulyk, a former Ukrainian prosecutor who Treasury sanctioned in 2021 for working with Derkach to spread “fraudulent and unsubstantiated allegations” about Biden. That is, this project was to feature information from sources who the US government later deemed were connected to a disinformation campaign linked to Russian intelligence.

D'oh!

Giuliani played a key role in trying to line up investors for the movie.

Hehe

The investors Giuliani did help find were two brothers, David and Kable Munger, who own a large blueberry producing company in California and have donated generously to GOP candidates.

Ok, so they got funding.

The movie never came close to being made, and people involved in the endeavor told Mother Jones the project was disorganized and incompetently managed.

I can laugh my rear off, but really, I shouldn't be surprised. What a clown show - MAGAs shivving MAGAs:

The Mungers recently sued two GOP activists involved in producing the film, Tim Yale and George Dickson, along with a company they formed. Giuliani was not named as a defendant in the suit.

The Mungers say that Giuliani helped persuade them to invest $1 million by saying that they would receive a share of the film’s profits. The brothers also claim that Yale and Dickson told them the movie would be “more profitable than Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11.”

Oh, really? They were going to out-do Mr. Moore?

Giuliani, Dickson, and Yale also said, according to the Mungers’ lawsuit, that they possessed “smoking guns” revealing Joe Biden was corrupt.

Smoking guns, folks, smoking guns!

Giuliani and his colleagues possessed no such material. The Mungers allege that Dickson and Yale stole their investment.

Ruh-oh! There was no smoking gun - not even one.

Giuliani, according to the lawsuit, was paid $300,000 for his participation in the film project. A lawyer and a spokesperson for Giuliani did not respond to requests for comment.

Of course not.

The icing on the cake for me, if I may say, is the following paragraph:

Buma’s revelations may only be the start. A source familiar with his work tells Mother Jones that other potential FBI whistleblowers who participated in the investigation involving Giuliani have consulted the same lawyer as Buma and might meet with congressional investigators in coming weeks. That attorney, Scott Horton, declined to comment.

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[-] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In a headline that isn't surprising, I find the most suprsing-thats-not-suprising thing is...

paid locals to spray-paint swastikas around Kharkiv in the weeks before Russia’s invasion. Buma says Fuks did so to bolster Vladmir Putin’s claim that the invasion aimed to achieve the “de-Nazification of Ukraine.”

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Remember when little donnie, the lying liars networks, the Republicans, the "centrists", a whole lot of the "liberal media" (lol) and even some supposed leftists were gaslighting and proclaiming that the Russia thing was a "hoax"?

How long will they keep that up, by the way?

[-] CryptoRoberto@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

There was so much evidence. I really didn't get the amount of denial. Trumps been linked to Russia for decades in his business dealings.

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Is this suprising to anyone? Its clear as day a lot of the GOP is compromised by Russian interests.

[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

Back in the 80s. Rudy cleared out the American mob to make way for his Russian mob associates.

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Rudy Colludy

[-] LiquidMastering@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

What city in a foreign country would hire Ghouliani to provide ideas for “updating security”? That seems like the dumbest excuse for a payoff ever.

[-] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

They were opening up Ukraine for invasion? It kind of loosely fits in a really shitty way.

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[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I’m so shocked because most republicans are so law abiding and definitely not involved with like 50 felonies!

[-] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Literally nobody is surprised about this after the Trump presidency. And people who know a little more seem to think he cleaned out the Italian mob only to hand NYC over to the Russian Mafia. Hmmm.

[-] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

America's mayor and Russia's puppet.

[-] Fhek@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Giuliani is a Russian stooge. What a surprise.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

It's been how long since he deliberately took on the Italian mob in New York so that the Russian mob could take over, and they're just discovering his connections now? Pathetic.

[-] Ejh3k@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It's always amazing the greed of this group. I could never afford it, but 300k seems like fucking nothing, to either party. So why do it? Tell them to add a couple zeros, do the bare minimum and disappear into obscurity. The absolute narcissism with this lot, incredible.

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[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Now do Trump.

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