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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

Building a basic factory is up to 2 years, depending on size, then you have to recruit all kinds of workers, many of which might not be readily available in a short notice of time, and might require college education. Manufacturing isn't just driving in the screws on an iPhone (which is more like glued together).

This is all assuming they'll use all US components, which are available, and at least higher-end US made capacitors are on the same level as their Japanese counterparts. The issue would be scope. Don't know what happened to that TSMC factory after Trump axing the CHIPS act. However, that "all American" Nintendo Switch 2 would cost a small fortune, and would be needed to be made much longer lasting that otherwise, since it's now incompatible with the notion of cheap and short lived products, which those on the top wouldn't approve.

[–] excral@feddit.org 25 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Even if Nintendo moved final assembly to the US (which they won't), they'd still likely need to import the components they don't manufacture themselves like the screen, battery, memory chips, SoC and what not, which then again would be tarrifed.

[–] UltraBlack@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago
[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] excral@feddit.org 8 points 7 hours ago
[–] Johanno@feddit.org 2 points 7 hours ago

Screen? China

Battery? Korea

Memory? China

No tariffs between China and Japan

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 73 points 20 hours ago

Nintendo aren't going to move to America to get away from tariffs because they don't care. Their audience will buy the switch anyway, regardless of its price point and regardless of how much of that price point is affected by tariffs.

Also no company is going to move to America because of these tariffs because the Trump administration flip flops on an hourly basis. Who knows what policy will be next month let alone in 4 years time.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 146 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Dude must work in sales. That is an optimistic lead time.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 19 points 20 hours ago

Yeah, this is absolutely delusional.

Even... if all the tariff insanity weren't going on, even if Trump had lost the election...

The answer to this question is right, if you add about an order of magnitude.

20 to 30 months, ie, about 1.5 to 2.5 years.

And that is arguably still an optimistic time frame, and just... waves away all the 'would it actually make sense to do this' considerations.

[–] Im_old@lemmy.world 73 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And he already sold it to the customer without checking with product support of course

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh my gods I feel this as someone who works in production.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And now its your fault that it won't arrive on time and the customer is pissed! They're on the phone now and want to hear from you why you couldn't hit your time line.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes hello, who is this?

Oh ok, yes.

Ah well you see, our salesman lied to you, Mr. Customer, he just says insane nonsense that bears no relation to reality in order to get you to give us money. That's his job. Anyway, when Mr. Salesman gave you a delivery date, he didn't tell us over here in product assembly about that until about 2 weeks ago, and it'll take us about 8 weeks to actually make your order quantity.

What's that? No, no problems here on the assembly line, we actually churned out 15% more widgets last quarter than the quarter before that, and we're on track for current quarter production numbers to also grow by 15%.

Yep, yep, sorry about that, and that's a good point, Mr. Salesman may have just added a 0 to those growth figures we reported to him when he was talking with you.

Of course! Thanks for doing business with us! I'll hand you back over to Mr. Salesman now.

...

Ahem.

Fuck sales.

This is what I would actually say, and this is why I apparently have 'poor interpersonal skills'.

[–] Schadrach 2 points 3 hours ago

My favorite saying: "There are two kinds of people you can never trust in this world - salesmen and politicians, and politicians are just salesmen selling that they should be in charge."

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

I worked at a place where it got so bad sales team refused to meet with us because they were pretty certain we were going to beat them up or something.

I don't think anyone actually threatened violence but there was certainly talk about keying their new flash cars.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

You gotta laugh at customers who believe sales promises.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 90 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How fast can a Japanese company move work to America to reduce import expenses?

Counterpoint: to avoid tariffs, how fast can American companies move out of America?

[–] bollybing@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 6 hours ago

Companies aren't going to suddenly decide to spend a load of money to move production to the US without some certainty that the tariffs are going to last long enough for it to make financial sense.

There's a very good chance that Trump will cancel most tariffs this year and then declare that he's won somehow.

Even if Trump doesn't, he could die at any moment and Vance removes them.

Or the next administration removes them.

[–] coyootje@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

It's probably quicker for this person to move to Japan tbh

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Time to build a wall to keep the smugglers out

[–] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Man, Nintendo literally only recently finally integrated the ability to use voice chat into their system, after almost everyone else has been doing it for 15 years or so at this point.

And you think they can move everything in 2 to 3 months???

[–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Xbox had voice chat back in 2002. 23 years ago.

[–] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 5 points 19 hours ago

Well there you go!

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 12 points 23 hours ago

Is 2 to 3 months too little or too much?!?! - MAGA supporter

[–] match@pawb.social 14 points 21 hours ago

by the way this section of the warehouse is now an american embassy, and therefore the product is finished on american soil thanks

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

2-3 months is enough time to form a committee and establish the metrics that an acceptable plan would have to meet.

[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sorry your plan failed at form a committee.

You forgot to form a committee to decide who's on the committee.

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is Japan we're talking about. I believe they require multiple late-night "socializing" meetings to figure out exactly what's going to happen. Then they just have a series of meetings to formalize what they decided on beforehand.

[–] IndieSpren@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 22 hours ago

Then they gotta print and fax all the documents from those meetings for record keeping.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago

Ladies and gentlemen, I present your average american.

[–] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I could get it done tomorrow

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Elect me and I'll do it in 24h.

[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd prefer you spend the first 24 hours on peace in Ukraine or Gaza. Maybe save this for day 2?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 9 hours ago

Only one of those though. You can have too much of a good thing.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

So you're the one that outbids me in all my proposals.

[–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nintendo moving production to USA in 2-3 months? Only by USA invading Japan and adding it as 51st state lol

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not even that, the processor, electrical components. Maybe the screen? All sourced globally. Like a big spider web.

Even if they drop billions to tape the chip out again, and move to Intel (heh), the chip production isn’t movable even in a decade. Intel's fabs are all over the planet.

Way cheaper to just eat the tax and mark the Switch 2 up 50% in the US, then let the smugglers do their thing.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago

You forgot one crucial step:

Renaming Japan to "New Ohio."

[–] marble@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

That guy knows nothing.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

at least two

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago