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It's a complete admission that privatization is worse than public investment. It's the largest condemnation of neoliberalism that I have ever heard from a world leader. It's also probably the most accurate thing Trump has ever said. It is ABSOLUTELY cheating when you can build goods services and infrastructure at cost without needing to skim ever increasing amounts of profit off the top, and that's why EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD SHOULD DO IT. Why is the entire Western world completely and totally committed to doing things the hard way when even Trump clearly understands that public investment is better?

Public investment gives countries an edge, an edge the US no longer has because we refuse to do any public investment whatsoever. So yeah it's totally "cheating". SO DO IT. Go cheat. Use all the money the US has to do heaps of public investment and keep American economic hegemony for decades to come.

Or, you know, just take your ball and go home because the rest of the world has figured out that governments can actually invest in their countries and that's "cheating."

Trump basically just agreeing with Marxist observations about how goods and services are produced, and then coming to the most hilarious wrong conclusion around what to do about it is peak American neoliberalism and I can't stop thinking about it and laughing about it.

Anyway that's it that's the post.

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[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 74 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

something rattling around in my head like a marble lately is how disengenuous but often repeated it is that "American labor is expensive" when so much of the cost of social reproduction of labor in the states is bullshit ass fucking landlordism.

if social housing wasn't illegal here and was, instead, well provisioned for, that's probably like anywhere from 30%-50% of costs for some people. just money going straight from whatever wage someone makes for doing something, transmuted immediately into a landlord's equity... for doing nothing!

that's not even getting into the fucked ass situation with healthcare provisioning, insurance profiteering, etc, which are also huge drivers of social reproduction costs for American labor... but never actually realized by the laborer.

anyway, when I read or see that frame of American labor being expensive, it pisses me off because the laborer is the victim of that process, not the beneficiary. the capitalist who inserts themselves between the laborer and the provisioning of their necessities is the king of the assholes, and it's the newspapers they own framing the lazy, entitled, fat cat worker benefitting from this arrangement because their wage is so high these days.

[–] spudnik@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago

the laborer is the victim of that process, not the beneficiary. the capitalist who inserts themselves between the laborer and the provisioning of their necessities is the king of the assholes

The American economy from the perspective of the worker is like that one long shot in Goodfellas when Ray Liotta is just handing out 20s to every person he sees between the door and his table, but in reverse. You draw your paycheck and suddenly a million porky-happy line up to take it from you

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Mentioned it before, but the best evidence capitalists have their own form of class solidarity and work to advance their class interests is the fact they never fight amongst themselves.

More pork-on-pork violence pls.

[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Perfectly put. Landlordism isn't just a leech on the renter but a leech on the entire economy. The same could be said of private health insurance. If both were abolished wages could be much much lower for the exact same quality of life.

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 46 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump can literally say that capitalism no work and USAmericans will still hate communism because they'll lose their non-existent wealth.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 47 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Americans would rather suffer eternally than let one single person who they don't like have even a moment of respite

[–] huf@hexbear.net 39 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"america is too diverse for anyone to have a moment of respite!"

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s honestly somewhat funny asking them to clarify.

“So what? You think minorities are cursed with some kind of infectious bad luck? Tell that to China.”

[–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

it's so nonsensical on its face that it took me years to figure out what they meant by it (only seeing it online, not living there)

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This line or a variation of it has been what made me realize there was no hope for some of the people im related to. "The reason Nordic countries are better is because theyre racially homogenous" I was like oh ok. Your a nazi. Cool. Bye. Never speaking to you again.

This line used to drive me nuts when I was a liberal. It doesn't even make sense in a liberal framework wtf

[–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 31 points 2 weeks ago

Once again, Chuds are only correct on accident.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 24 points 2 weeks ago

"But... But... But... I don't get to exploit anyone!? How do I get to golf while people make me money? How do I get to not do a fucking thing and rule over people I "own?" That's not fair! Wahhhh!"

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Pretty sure other world leaders have been saying this too, German and UK porkies. Chinese SOE will clearly become the next major mode of capitalist production, having reduced the operating costs of capitalists middlemen for the increase of production. How long will the West take to catch up is the question.

[–] damnatum_seditiosus@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

Canada said something along this when it 100% tarif on Chinese electric cars, obediently following the master's wish. kkkanada

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

You don't say lenin-sure

[–] Des@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago

real Victoria 3 "communism is OP" shit

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

When did he say it was cheating? I want to see it. /Sincere I feel like I missed something.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

He said it regarding why some countries got higher tariffs than others (because some countries subsidise their local industries for an international trade advantage. This is not thr reason for the number chosen, but he did say it was at one stage)

[–] witheyeandclaw 7 points 2 weeks ago

WOAH spoiler alert